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PearlWatson
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Having a set of criteria for people to become citizens ain't immoral. No matter how wonderful it sounds we can't take the worlds poor into our country and further tax our "safety nets" without asking for a social contract in return...learn our laws, history, language, and obey our laws.
It would actually be more appropriate to refer to them as illegal aliens, seeing as many of them have no intention of becoming citizens.
I also believe in giving -22 to bigots, tools, and hacks. Enjoy yours.
No he's not.
Correct. The immorality (stupid choice of words) of it is that the criteria is absurdly difficult and expensive.
I haven't seen a single person who is disagreeing with this point, but keep hammering it like the Republicooter you are.
Well, I guess that settles it then. Real strong argument there, Slopper. I was actually thinking about the Pledge of Allegiance today and made a commitment to myself: I'm not going to put my hand over my heart or recite it until Americans start living by it. "With liberty and justice for all." I have a feeling I've recited my last pledge.
Well if you're talking about all Americans, then you certainly have said the pledge of allegiance for the last time. That could be true even if you're just talking about most.
The Thriller
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I don't think many believe that there shouldn't be a process for folks to obtain visas, work permits, citizenship, etc...
Where I think we, as Americans, have EPIC failed, is the self analysis. It's something that we don't like to talk about because it would mean that perhaps we're not exceptional or #1 in the universe.
If we were trying to enter the USA or become citizens, would we ourselves go through the long, excruciating, confusing, painful, expensive process? I imagine that the answer would be NO. Most of us would do EXACTLY the same as so many Mexicans have.
Are our agencies properly and sufficiently employed? Are our processes and policies too expensive, bureaucratic, or take too long? What are we doing to ENCOURAGE legal immigration? Perhaps cutting some of the red tape would do wonders?
Instead of just labeling people as ILLEGALS or LAZY or ENTITLED lets look ourselves in the mirror.
Where I think we, as Americans, have EPIC failed, is the self analysis. It's something that we don't like to talk about because it would mean that perhaps we're not exceptional or #1 in the universe.
If we were trying to enter the USA or become citizens, would we ourselves go through the long, excruciating, confusing, painful, expensive process? I imagine that the answer would be NO. Most of us would do EXACTLY the same as so many Mexicans have.
Are our agencies properly and sufficiently employed? Are our processes and policies too expensive, bureaucratic, or take too long? What are we doing to ENCOURAGE legal immigration? Perhaps cutting some of the red tape would do wonders?
Instead of just labeling people as ILLEGALS or LAZY or ENTITLED lets look ourselves in the mirror.
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Stop trying to make me feel guilty about labeling people.
PearlWatson
Well-Known Member
If "hard" criteria is immoral than you two need to tear up your mason lodge cards cause I hear there is a super hard criteria in there about being honest.
Serious question: Are you retarded?
Boondocksaint27
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What are everyone's thoughts on the U.S. getting more involved in fixing the problems on the Mexico side of the border?
Finding ways to dramatically reduce the demand here is one sure fire way to affect things on that side of the boarder.