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Dudes... The guy we need to Draft is Noah Vonleh

The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Vonleh seems very much like a large handed version of Chris Bosh... best case scenario. If we get Bosh out of the draft, we are not swinging for the fences... Perhaps a double at best. I think that Aaron Gordon can learn to shoot. His ability to score will improve. He has more of the 'it' factor than I think Vonleh will ever have. Gordon with the ability to score would be the #1 pick in this draft. He could become one of the top 3 picks from the draft over time whereas Vonleh won't.

Plus... I HATE Brad Pitt. He could have any weem and he settled for the 'Jolis'? Yuck. Go big or go home. That goes for the Jazz, the Brad, and the Bra!
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Not that I'm a massive Bosh fan but if Vonleh has his career trajectory I'd be very pleased with the pick.
 
AKMVP said:
But Vonleh creates a logjam upfront. We still have M. Williams remember? If we draft Vonleh one of the bigs is gone. I just don't see how Vonleh is upgrade over Kanter or Favors?
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After the great tank off of 2013-14 whomever we get BETTER be and upgrade in their position. Whatever position that ends up being. If we end up getting a player that is no better than who we already have we have wasted a year.
 
Catchall said:
Elephant in the living room says:

If the Jazz draft Noah Vonleh at #5, they could potentially trade Favors and give more minutes to Gobert at the center spot. It's possible that Favors could yield another pick at #4 or #6 in the draft, enabling the Jazz to draft Dante Exum or Marcus Smart. That puts 5 shooters on the floor potentially.

Result:

Kanter / Gobert
Vonleh / Evans
Hayward / Evans
Burks / Hayward
Exum / Burke
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Favors would not be traded unless its bringing back Parker, Embiid, or Wiggins.
 
Nate505 said:
However I still want the Jazz to get Smart. My biggest knock with Vonleh that is my biggest compliment to Smart is that I want a guy out there who has some sort of passion and competitive fire. Perhaps Vonleh has it and doesn't show it, but I want someone who does. This team feels so damn passive it's sickening at times.

Still, any of the consensus guys the Jazz draft at 5 I can find positives (and negatives) with, and I'd prefer to focus on the positives. Vonleh does seem like he has the potential for having a great all around game, and there's nothing bad about that. Hopefully he can hit it if the Jazz draft him.

If the Jazz get Saric or reach on a guy like McDermott is about the only way I'd feel bummed about the draft, only because both feel like a reach at that spot. At least with Saric I can see some real good potential as a 2nd banana type.
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Agree with those two points.
The youngsters were all too quick to concede team leadership to RJ and JLIII last season. Some of that fire will have to come from the new coach. I also think Burke needs to take over; I liked his response after the Orlando game. And lastly, don't underestimate the effect of winning. You could tell the players simply didn't care the last couple of months. They knew we were tanking. I still think a trade involving our later picks - and cap relief for the other team - will bring us a good vet.
 
Nate505 said:
I have no problems with the Jazz taking Vonleh. I have my concerns about him, but the Vonlah cheerleaders here have convinced me that he has a ton of upside. A month ago I was bummed that he might be the pick for the Jazz, but now I'm totally fine with it.

However I still want the Jazz to get Smart. My biggest knock with Vonleh that is my biggest compliment to Smart is that I want a guy out there who has some sort of passion and competitive fire. Perhaps Vonleh has it and doesn't show it, but I want someone who does. This team feels so damn passive it's sickening at times.

Still, any of the consensus guys the Jazz draft at 5 I can find positives (and negatives) with, and I'd prefer to focus on the positives. Vonleh does seem like he has the potential for having a great all around game, and there's nothing bad about that. Hopefully he can hit it if the Jazz draft him.

If the Jazz get Saric or reach on a guy like McDermott is about the only way I'd feel bummed about the draft, only because both feel like a reach at that spot. At least with Saric I can see some real good potential as a 2nd banana type.
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iawtp
 
I don't get why you guys want to draft another project 4 w/ the 5th pick. We already have enough of those already! Favors which we acquired and still is developing slowly, Kanter who also is moving along slowly and then there's Gobert. Do you guys get tired of that? Waiting around seeing if it works or not. For me I've said this numerous times, we need immediate help and get the guy that will step in and help that team right away. Not some dude, sitting on the bench most the time and playing just 15-18 min tops.
 
stormkoopacv03 said:
I don't get why you guys want to draft another project 4 w/ the 5th pick. We already have enough of those already! Favors which we acquired and still is developing slowly, Kanter who also is moving along slowly and then there's Gobert. Do you guys get tired of that? Waiting around seeing if it works or not. For me I've said this numerous times, we need immediate help and get the guy that will step in and help that team right away. Not some dude, sitting on the bench most the time and playing just 15-18 min tops.
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Well who ever we draft at 5 is going to come off the bench next season tbh. I'm guessing you would draft smart then? Because he's the only none PF in that range.
 
Doublea said:
Well who ever we draft at 5 is going to come off the bench next season tbh. I'm guessing you would draft smart then? Because he's the only none PF in that range.
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I'd rather have us trade up into the top 3 and draft a starter. And if we can't, just trade the pick for a good veteran.
 
stormkoopacv03 said:
I'd rather have us trade up into the top 3 and draft a starter. And if we can't, just trade the pick for a good veteran.
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I've seen a couple of people suggest this, but I think it's a terrible idea. I'm all for trying to trade up for Wiggins or Parker, but if that's not realistic I think you scout the next tier and take the best player still on the board.

They're all incredibly young, won't necessarily be counted on right away, have All-Star potential and will come relatively cheap if they live up to the hype/potential. A veteran player is a limited investment. Limited years and at a higher cost initially.

Not only is this draft strong at the top, but it appears to be deep as well. The Jazz are not ready to invest in that contract yet IMO. Soon, possibly, but not yet. Better to scout your *** off and roll the dice on upside.
 
I think anyone predicting Wiggins will be an immediate superstar will have a very rude awakening. In fact, he's the most likely to not reach his potential out of the big 3, IMO.

There, I said it.
 
stormkoopacv03 said:
I'd rather have us trade up into the top 3 and draft a starter. And if we can't, just trade the pick for a good veteran.
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The problem with that is finding one that is under a good contract for the next 4 years. For instance I have heard Affalo's name, who is a good shooting guard, but he is under contract one more year then could bolt. The great thing about a rookie is you can have them 8 years if you want to. Knowing this, it would make more sense to trade down and draft McDeromott over a veteran, he is NBA ready, no development needed, and on a cheap contract.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
You do realize Gordon is worse then Hayward shooting off the dribble right. He'll never be a good shooter, and has little to no offensive game other then around the basket and slashing, so he will probably shoot a lot of ft's and miss a lot too.


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When you are done using your crystal ball can I use it? Gordon is 18 years old with a strong BBIQ and work ethic from all the reports I've read. You might be right but I think you are sounding as if it can't happen. No one knows either way if Gordon or Vonleh are going to get better or be great/very good players. The odds that neither will be a superstar but to say with such certainty that one or the other can't do this or improve on that sounds pretty ridiculous.

As far as Vonleh size, I don't think it is as big as a concern as some people are making it sound. How many BIG centers are there in the NBA these days? Did everyone watch how Pop basically made Ibaka average by playing a Matt Bonner at Center? Vonleh biggest attribute besides his wingspan, big hands and his ability to rebound is his ability to shoot from outside. I am leaning towards Gordon but I would be just as happy with Vonleh. Another fact for me is what type of system are the Jazz going to run? If the Jazz are going to run more than I think Gordon benefits more and in a half court setting I think that helps Vonleh.
 
stormkoopacv03 said:
I'd rather have us trade up into the top 3 and draft a starter. And if we can't, just trade the pick for a good veteran.
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Wiggins = project
Embiid = project
Parker = NBA ready as a shooter, but can he even defend his own shadow?
Exum = no one knows
Smart = poor shooter.
*By your own argument re: Vonleh, we already have a poor-shooting PG. Why do we need another one?
 
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