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ED Davis to the KNICKS

Shad said:
I was super excited when I found out Jeff Green, Ed Davis, and a lot lesser Mike Conley (I wanted D. Lo then Kemba) came to the Jazz. 2 are gone and I'm sure the last has been talked about in trades.
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When we do trade Conley people are only gonna praise what a good job this FO has done in controlling the damage
 
jom2003 said:
When we do trade Conley people are only gonna praise what a good job this FO has done in controlling the damage
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By Giving up more picks. We gave up 2 + Grayson already. How many do we have to give to get rid of Conley on top of that?
 
Joncolton said:
I'd guess they are planning on re-signing Jordan Clarkson, that's step #1 and priority #1 in free agency. #2 is using the full MLE. Either on one great player (preferred) or on two players that are pretty good. Then round out the roster with minimum contracts.
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That sounds promising. Who are the prospects for the MLE?
 
The Thriller said:
That sounds promising. Who are the prospects for the MLE?
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It all depends on how willing they are to hit the luxury tax. They have 18 million dollars now before they hit it. Let's say they sign Jordan Clarkson for $15 million per season - that's a pretty reasonable contract for a guy who averages over 15 ppg. And regularly is your whole bench scoring. (Joe Ingles is contracted for $12 per season).

That leaves Utah with 3 million dollars in cap space - maybe/maybe not - it might take the whole 18 to keep Clarkson. (They could potentially sign him for more, but... I doubt another team offers him over 18 per season - and he may go for as low as 12M - there are only 6 teams in the NBA right now with ANY cap space). The thing I don't know is if the Jazz could combine any left over cap space with the MLE - like say they get Jordan for 15, can they add the 3 left over to the 9M MLE and sign someone for 12M?

So anyways, then you have the MLE to use also (9.3 M) and could be used on players like:

* Joe Harris - will probably get a big offer from Atlanta, but maybe he'd rather win?
* Moe Harkless - 6'7" SF/PF but with a 7'2 wingspan - good defender, and shot 37% from 3 a season ago with the Clippers - did worse last year w Knicks
* Derrick Jones Jr. - hustle player - think a young DeMarre Carroll
* Jae Crowder - fan favorite, but I doubt Miami lets him go anywhere.
* Justin Holiday - plays hard D, and hits 40% from 3. He's a journeyman, but at 31 might want to win or get his last big contract, but he's a 3 and D guy - should be plug n play with Utah's system.

This year is going to be extra TRICKY - one because of the abbreviated time line, and two because there are only 6 teams with cap space, very little money for free agents, and you will probably see some RESTRICTED free agents get deals that are going to force teams into tough decisions. That almost never happens, and normally RFA means you don't even make them an offer, but last year everyone thought it was their window with the Warriors being out and spent as much as possible. So, they might be more reluctant to match RFA contracts, and we may see more RFAs get deals with new teams. Should be. a wild ride.
 
NUMBERICA said:
So you're not getting the big picture here: Centers with no ball skills are abundant and you can grab them for the league minimum. Whether we got good Ed Davis or bad Ed Davis doesn't change that it a bad use of resources, whether Tony Bradley was better than he was or worse doesn't change that we burned assets to get and develop him when we didn't have to.

To follow what HH just said: Davis has always been dreck in the PnR.
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I really wish we could just sign 2 Goberts for league minimum and let ours walk.
 
I get the critisim over drafting Bradley etc and losing 2nd rounders to get rid of him. But I don't remember a collective meltdown here when we signed Ed year ago. I think nobody was expecting him to suck that bad. So it's a pity we re losing minor assets to get rid of him but that kind of **** happens.
 
The Thriller said:
Sure. This is easy money. How much do you want to bet that the jazz are going to use the MLE on another center?
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They won’t use full MLE but I bet they go find something better than a minimum guy... and I’ll bet that guy becomes the backup center over Udoka... which is basically what I’ve been bitching about that we used our first to draft a 3rd string center... again.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They won’t use full MLE but I bet they go find something better than a minimum guy... and I’ll bet that guy becomes the backup center over Udoka... which is basically what I’ve been bitching about that we used our first to draft a 3rd string center... again.
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I would rather Dok be the guy from day one. He's a four year college athlete. The drop big is not super complicated. I think he could do backup duties from day one. I want him to learn through mistakes. Just get a veteran 4 or wing to get us more impactful talent.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
They won’t use full MLE but I bet they go find something better than a minimum guy... and I’ll bet that guy becomes the backup center over Udoka... which is basically what I’ve been bitching about that we used our first to draft a 3rd string center... again.
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Pretty sad with all the assets we used (3 2nd rounders) to dump contracts (Ed and TB) that we still won't be able to use the full MLE.

Conley has destroyed our financial flexibility. I'm not a fan of having Conley AND Clarkson especially if they are costing us around $50 million this year. Neither are starters for us.

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whatthe said:
I would rather Dok be the guy from day one. He's a four year college athlete. The drop big is not super complicated. I think he could do backup duties from day one. I want him to learn through mistakes. Just get a veteran 4 or wing to get us more impactful talent.
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I mean there are two sides of the ball and as bad as Ed was on defense it was the offense that was the biggest problem. No one runs more handoffs and screens than us and the center is in the middle of that... homeboy is used to sitting his *** in the post and he will do literally none of that in the nba... so is he going to be some savant that picks it up without a summer league or are you going to put him in the dunkers spot and just let JC cook without a pick. Also drop big is still hard to figure out... you have to rotate unless he’s playing a zone. You are over simplifying.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I mean there are two sides of the ball and as bad as Ed was on defense it was the offense that was the biggest problem. No one runs more handoffs and screens than us and the center is in the middle of that... homeboy is used to sitting his *** in the post and he will do literally none of that in the nba... so is he going to be some savant that picks it up without a summer league or are you going to put him in the dunkers spot and just let JC cook without a pick. Also drop big is still hard to figure out... you have to rotate unless he’s playing a zone. You are over simplifying.
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Maybe, true. But I do think he has unique gifts that will allow him to run people over and dominate. Plus if he is playing with Jordan Clarkson, I think it lessens his need to be up to speed on the offense from day one. It's just my opinion.
 
LoPo said:
Pretty sad with all the assets we used (3 2nd rounders) to dump contracts (Ed and TB) that we still won't be able to use the full MLE.

Conley has destroyed our financial flexibility. I'm not a fan of having Conley AND Clarkson especially if they are costing us around $50 million this year. Neither are starters for us.

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The thought process was just so bad... if you have a center that you love that will be around you only draft another center if:

1- they are clearly the best player on the board and you think they will be a star.

2- you think you will need a starting center in 1-2 years. If you are drafting for need you look 1-2 years out... what do we need 1-2 years out? Do we need a Joe or Mike replacement more or a backup center?

I am not sure which fact pattern bothers me more... that they think they need a backup center in a year or two and are drafting for that need or that they think this was clearly the best player available.
 
whatthe said:
Maybe, true. But I do think he has unique gifts that will allow him to run people over and dominate. Plus if he is playing with Jordan Clarkson, I think it lessens his need to be up to speed on the offense from day one. It's just my opinion.
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Okay but guys with size that dominate in college are playing against rosters with skinny unskilled 6’9” guys. You ain’t running guys over like you did before. He won’t even get it in the post and will be a turnover machine if he does.

I’m not talking about this pick for a few days until everyone sees that we brought in a vet to play over this kid... let’s just hit pause here.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
The thought process was just so bad... if you have a center that you love that will be around you only draft another center if:

1- they are clearly the best player on the board and you think they will be a star.

2- you think you will need a starting center in 1-2 years. If you are drafting for need you look 1-2 years out... what do we need 1-2 years out? Do we need a Joe or Mike replacement more or a backup center?

I am not sure which fact pattern bothers me more... that they think they need a backup center in a year or two and are drafting for that need or that they think this was clearly the best player available.
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What if they didn't draft him to be a backup 1-2 years out?
 
SteakNEggs said:
What if they didn't draft him to be a backup 1-2 years out?
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Then we are trading Rudy and it would make sense..... but also.... everything we have heard has been that we are bringing him back and our front office would rather run **** into the ground before making a pivot move so I think it is HIGHLY unlikely that was the thinking.
 
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