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I lived out of the country for a few, but it's been a long time ago and I didn't watch the news or read the paper. For those of you who are familiar with both the US media and another country's media, are things reported vastly different here?

I think the media encourages these unstable people and entices them with coverage and media attention. Do any of you think this is a major factor or a non-factor?

I keep seeing the blame directed at Trump, white supremacists/race, political parties, religion, video games, etc but don't really see any of the blame directed at the media and journalism. I, personally, think the media loves profiting off of these events because they get clicks and views. #nightcrawler
 
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Archie Moses said:
I lived out of the country for a few, but it's been a long time ago and I didn't watch the news or read the ppaper. For those of you who are familiar with both the US media and another country's media, are things reported vastly different here?

I think the media encourages these unstable people and entices them with coverage and media attention. Do any of you think this is a major factor or a non-factor?

I keep seeing the blame directed at Trump, white supremacists/race, political parties, religion, video games, etc but don't really see any of the blame directed at the media and journalism. I, personally, think the media loves profiting off of these events because they get clicks and views. #nightcrawler
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It's a tough call, because I'm not willing to have the media soft pedal the world to us either. I do think it would be awesome if the media just ignored everything Trump said and did, but that wouldn't be honest and fair reporting. But yeah, I agree that they love every controversial thing as it improves their bottom line. Capitalism and freedom.

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Spaniard said:
Lol - I'll let you guys get back to your echo chamber. Clearly you're not used to having your own definitions of hate and racism applied to what you say. It's ok, I know you feel justified and that you're right and everyone else is ignorant. Everyone else is Cleutus..
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It’s not that your pressure resulted in revealing hypocrisy that prevents this discussion from going forward. It’s your I’m compatible argument itself. You’re trying to apply standards against racism and hate to my strong belief that people who support a white nationalist should be ashamed and embarrassed. It’s clearly not the same thing. There’s no hypocrisy to reveal.

Coddling white supremacy is what got us here in the first place. I stand against coddling racists, deplorables, and those willfully ignorant. No more coddling or rationalizing these people. It’s 2019 and we’re in the midst of a crisis. Time to wake up.

Your insistence that this reveals hypocrisy is absurd. So why continue arguing? Run along now
 
str8line said:
"President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun."




https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...gZBzhnMW5WjU9XFArICV11pxx21o7TKWowBCFlFXiRMjg
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Wow.

And in a week we will have forgotten El Paso and Dayton and the NRA and republcians will have dodged another bullet. Nothing will be done related to gun regulation. And in probably two or three weeks a theater or school will be shot up and we’ll repeat this whole process again. Remember now, school is starting again so they’ll be prime targets for the ammosexuals who have way too many guns.

Sadly, there will be children and teachers worthlessly killed in the next 3 months who are currently alive today eagerly buying “Back to School” supplies all because one party is completely bought off by the NRA. Sorry if this truth triggers some of you. But you all know it’s true.
 
Jazzta said:
The part I don’t like is that he “quietly” signed the bill. A debate should have been had about what categorizes as a mental illness. I don’t trust the guy.
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It also reveals the silliness of declaring our media a “liberal media.” If we truly had a liberal media, there’s no way trump could have “quietly” signed that bill.
 
Archie Moses said:
I lived out of the country for a few, but it's been a long time ago and I didn't watch the news or read the ppaper. For those of you who are familiar with both the US media and another country's media, are things reported vastly different here?

I think the media encourages these unstable people and entices them with coverage and media attention. Do any of you think this is a major factor or a non-factor?

I keep seeing the blame directed at Trump, white supremacists/race, political parties, religion, video games, etc but don't really see any of the blame directed at the media and journalism. I, personally, think the media loves profiting off of these events because they get clicks and views. #nightcrawler
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It’s definitely a factor. Money talks and sex, violence, and controversy amongst other things, sell.
 
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Trump's social media advisor definitely focused on what's important right now



Trump himself


Neither Brown nor Whaley made any negative remarks about Trump's hospital visit. It's all just made up, so Trump can make himself a victim in this.



Can a Trump supporter please explain why he is lying about this?
 
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Totally normal. Not a cult.



“But Thrill! Don’t you think you’re being a little rude towards these types of people? Why don’t democrats aim for more moderate solutions so they don’t alienate Trumpers?”
 
Zombie said:
Trump's social media advisor definitely focused on what's important right now



Trump himself


Neither Brown nor Whaley made any negative remarks about Trump's hospital visit. It's all just made up, so Trump can make himself a victim in this.



Can a Trump supporter please explain why he is lying about this?
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Unbelievable.

Meanwhile, in El Paso:



Sigh

Is NRA money really worth all of this destruction?
 
 
Obviously, gun reform and ownership laws are going to be a huge issue with these incidents. As an independent voter, listening to the back and forth rhetoric from both sides is disgusting.

All I want to see is realistic proposals that SOLVE the problem WITHOUT infringing on peoples constitutional rights. I believe that the 2nd amendment is worth protecting, but that there’s certainly room for stronger background checks and reasonable (bipartisan) restrictions on who can own a gun and what type.

So far, all I’m hearing is the same partisan ******** from both sides. . .

Until this.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/08/07/op...olence-yang/index.html?r=https://www.cnn.com/

This actually feels like a new idea aimed at SOLVING some of these problems.

I don’t think it would be unconstitutional, and it adds a level of personal accountability and responsibility to gun ownership that I haven’t seen advocated elsewhere.

Red Flag laws are great, but must also have strong due process procedures in place to prevent abuse by authorities. Stronger background checks and wait times should be universally supported. I’d like to see stricter enforcement of illegal gun possession - make the punishment for that crime count for something.
 
Zombie said:
I wouldn't be too surprised if they push back the release on this, although I could see a Hollywood exec giddy at the prospect of "cashing in" instead.
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Sorry, but I have zero respect for someone who advocates gun violence in their music, movies and games then decry and demonize legal gun owners and call for stricter laws. I don’t give a damn if it’s clear that their work is fiction. It’s hypocritical. I have a ton more respect for studios, actors, directors, artists and producers who don’t make those types of films speaking out about it.
 
Stoked said:
Has there been any other specific mass shooting targeting Latinos specifically?

Also, this isn’t limited to just Latinos. See the cnn article I posted. Everyone is scared and feeling targeted.
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To your question, I don't know. Would have to research it. I'm sure you're not telling me Hispanics have no cause to be alarmed. If you are, I don't share that opinion, given how often Trump has been "otherizing" the people coming into our country from south of the border. I think the fact that, like other demagogues in history, he is willing to find scapegoats for those people in a society feeling anger and stress in the face of social, demographic, and cultural change, scapegoats upon whom they can then focus their anger and fears, combined with an actual attack aimed at those "others", such as happened in El Paso, is likely to be enough to raise alarm among the targeted groups. Not sure how it could be otherwise.

I have not read as yet the CNN article you posted. Certainly, there is, once again, since it has risen its ugly head repeatedly in Western history, a rise in anti-Semitism. And yes, I would be wary at any very crowded venue at this point, it's probably wise to avoid such venues. But then I don't get out much to crowded places at all, and I am not feeling noticeably scared, or feeling targeted. In fact, I don't feel that way at all. My ancestors were very unwelcomed in this country, but that was a long time ago. I'll read the article, but, if "everyone...is feeling targeted", I guess I'm an exception.
 
Red said:
To your question, I don't know. Would have to research it. I'm sure you're not telling me Hispanics have no cause to be alarmed. If you are, I don't share that opinion, given how often Trump has been "otherizing" the people coming into our country from south of the border. I think the fact that, like other demagogues in history, he is willing to find scapegoats for those people in a society feeling anger and stress in the face of social, demographic, and cultural change, scapegoats upon whom they can then focus their anger and fears, combined with an actual attack aimed at those "others", such as happened in El Paso, is likely to be enough to raise alarm among the targeted groups. Not sure how it could be otherwise.

I have not read as yet the CNN article you posted. Certainly, there is, once again, since it has risen its ugly head repeatedly in Western history, a rise in anti-Semitism. And yes, I would be wary at any very crowded venue at this point, it's probably wise to avoid such venues. But then I don't get out much to crowded places at all, and I am not feeling noticeably scared, or feeling targeted. In fact, I don't feel that way at all. My ancestors were very unwelcomed in this country, but that was a long time ago. I'll read the article, but, if "everyone...is feeling targeted", I guess I'm an exception.
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No, I’m not saying Latinos are not or should not be scared. I am saying so are the rest of us because, holy ****! I don’t get the ethnicity angle obviously but I do get being nervous and scared.

My CNN article has a video of people fleeing Times Square because they thought motorcycle backfires were gun shots. And a 911 call over a shooting in Walmart except there was no shooting, a sign fell over. Stuff like that.

People are scared, and I don’t blame them. My point was that right now it’s everyone. Not just Latinos. We’re all dying.
 
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