Enes kanter will be traded

[CAKAR]

Primarily to create a gameplan that works to the strengths of the players on the roster, create lineups and assign players roles within that gameplan that put the players and team in the best position to succeed, to effectively communicate that gameplan to the players, to motivate the players to execute the gameplan (within their roles).

With the consistent effort and execution we're seeing from the players, and the lineups employed by Corbin (including the roles the players have been assigned), it's a little hard to understand why the Corbin hate persists. He seems to be doing a pretty good job from where I sit.

For how many dollars you have sold your soul and love for JAZZ ? I remember last season, when you was always bitching about Corbin and his poor coaching decisions, what have chainged ?

 

[GVC]

In other words, SITUATIONAL COACHING is big.

Absolutely. Not one of Ty's strengths. That can be learned though, I'd think.

Do you agree that Ty seems to be doing a decent job with roles, lineups, communication of a game plan, and player motivation? The Jazz executed from start to finish tonight on the road against a team with superior mature talent and familiarity with each other. Game was tied with 2:33 to go (as you've stated).

 

[GVC]

For how many dollars you have sold your soul and love for JAZZ ? I remember last season, when you was always bitching about Corbin and his poor coaching decisions, what have chainged ?

1. I wasn't "always bitching" about Corbin. I had my gripes, sure, but Corbin deserved more credit from the average Jazzfanz poster last year as well.

2. Corbin is doing a good job this season for the most part. He's improving as well.

 

[pickledXgrandma]

1. I wasn't "always bitching" about Corbin. I had my gripes, sure, but Corbin deserved more credit from the average Jazzfanz poster last year as well.

2. Corbin is doing a good job this season for the most part. He's improving as well.

GVC I really do appreciate your posts, one of the smartest basketball minds on this board. Do you think Ty can take this team to the next level? Could he ever lead these guys deep into the playoffs?

 

[franklin]

My premise is that Kanter isn't playing well and with more time on the floor he'll get more opportunity to not play well and help us lose a few extra games. I'm wondering why DL isn't telling Corbin to play certain players more and letting him play the players that help him "win now" instead of playing players that could, one way or another, help us win more later.

But also, you tell Kanter he's going to get his time this year. This year. If he uses that time to execute on our defensive philosophy he'll be part of our "core" going forward. If he won't or can't then we'll try to find a good trade for him this off season.

Gotcha, and agreed. Thanks for elaborating.

I like your attention to "this year" with Kanter being in a contract extension year. Easily one of the best points made this season.

 

[The Fresh Prince]

Tyrone the Cyclone... Coming at Full Speeeeeeeed!!

No homo.

 

[GVC]

GVC I really do appreciate your posts, one of the smartest basketball minds on this board. Do you think Ty can take this team to the next level? Could he ever lead these guys deep into the playoffs?

No idea. Unfortunately, I don't yet sufficiently grasp the nuances of team offense and defense to be able to judge how well Ty is doing designing offenses and defenses (given the roster).

He seems to be doing a good job communicating the gameplan, motivating the players to execute the game plan, assigning roles to players and using sensible lineups. Really don't know if that's enough. Given that I've only paid close attention to the Jazz since I started watching in 03, meaning that the only other coach I've followed closely (Jerry) was already well into his career (past the point of basic development), I also don't know how much more growth we can expect from Ty.

If the Jazz let Ty go in the offseason, I wouldn't be surprised if he landed another NBA head coaching job at some point.

 

[franklin]

I support the tank, but hear me out. Example from tonight:

tie game with 2:33 left. Clipp ball.
time to intentionally foul Jordan. Use a possession. Then, intentionally foul Jordan again.
Instead?
8-0 Clipper run.

In other words, SITUATIONAL COACHING is big.

****in Matt harping wannabe tbh

 

[babe]

****in Matt harping wannabe tbh

I'll presume you will understand this, if no one else. Remember that ten minute discussion in your second week of high school chemistry about "significant figures"???

To be able to claim a significant value to your number nine places to the left of your decimal point, you've got to have an actual count of, or reliable measurement of, one part in a billion.

Probably, working for the government and all, omniscience is a cultivated art in your work life.

(j/k?}

may I presume that your "tankometer" scale is oriented with a perfect tank at o%, or are we just failing to execute our game plan still????

 

[LunaticWolf]

Damn. The script is changing.

Props to Kanter for playing well tonight. He gets rewarded with the PT.

 

[Tarkanian]

Most Europeans would be speaking German... you know what, never mind.

on a side note (and an irrelevant one for that matter);
I do speak German.
That said I am of a Mongolian (=scum-or-scourge-of-the-earth) descent (which you people call Turks) with big eyes and caucasian looks.
I blame my grandpas, who were just too fond of shagging indigenous chicks (Greeks, Slavs what not), for having replaced my slanting eyes and my Charles-Bronson-looks with bushy eyebrows and greasy cheeks.

yeah, speaking of Kanter; Corbin sux!

 

[fishonjazz]

Primarily to create a gameplan that works to the strengths of the players on the roster, create lineups and assign players roles within that gameplan that put the players and team in the best position to succeed, to effectively communicate that gameplan to the players, to motivate the players to execute the gameplan (within their roles).

With the consistent effort and execution we're seeing from the players, and the lineups employed by Corbin (including the roles the players have been assigned), it's a little hard to understand why the Corbin hate persists. He seems to be doing a pretty good job from where I sit.

He is doing a decent job but why do burks minutes go down when he is playing the best ball of his career? Seems odd to me.

 

[fishonjazz]

Damn. The script is changing.

Props to Kanter for playing well tonight. He gets rewarded with the PT.

Favors foul trouble is the reason for increased minutes to kanter tbh...... If favors is not in foul trouble then kanter gets his normal 15-20 minutes whether he played well or not.

 

[fishonjazz]

I have been a big time corbin hater but honestly since we have been healthy he has done a pretty good job with the rotations.

I think that kanter should start and play lots of minutes but that is just cause i dont care (and actually prefer) about losses. Ty does and probably should, therefore playing marvin over kanter makes sense.

I like the way he is using jeremy evans, and he is playing favors, burke and hayward just the right amount imo.


The one issue i have is that burks still gets jerked around with his minutes no matter how he plays.... which is one reason why starting is important.
Starters generally get consistent minutes while bench players minutes are always changing.

Burks had the best stretch of his career recently (and one of the best stretches of any player on this team) and now in the last two games his minutes were 16 and 23.
Last night he shot 50% from the field with 5 assists and was +1 in those 23 minutes but his minutes get decreased for richard jefferson

Now marvin might be a perfect fit for this team in future years and he is still in his prime so playing him over kanter makes sense (especially with kanters poor play)

Jefferson is pretty old and has already said he wants to chase a title so he wont be around in the future...... add in the fact that alec burks is probably the better player of the two already and it seems like a no brainer to give burks 30 minutes every game and decrease jeffersons minutes significantly

 

[Dr. Jones]

Favors foul trouble is the reason for increased minutes to kanter tbh...... If favors is not in foul trouble then kanter gets his normal 15-20 minutes whether he played well or not.

Agreed

 

[GVC]

Agreed

A couple things:

1. Kanter played from the 2:26 to the 0:14 mark of the 2nd. He played from the 7:01 mark of the 3rd. Through 3 quarters, he was basically given an additional 6 minutes due to Favors foul trouble (compared to the regular substitution patterns since Enes's last start, a stretch of 10 games).

2. Kanter and Favors played together from 5:28 to 1:37 of the 4th. It was the first time in the last 10 games (since Enes's last start) that the two had played together in the 4th. Before last night, over the 9 games since Enes's last start, other than in the blowout loss to Atlanta (Kanter played the whole 4th and Favors sat the whole 4th in that game), Favors subbed in for Kanter in each 4th quarter (somewhere between the start of the quarter and the 6:07 mark).

Had Kanter not been given the additional 6 minutes in the first 3 quarters, maybe he doesn't show enough to Corbin to get extended 4th quarter minutes with Favors. I don't agree with that assessment, and think Corbin played Enes because he's the only Jazz big who can bang with Blake (Marvin tried to defend him for stretches earlier in the game...) and because Kanter was clearly engaged/focused/motivated and physical.

 

[GVC]

He is doing a decent job but why do burks minutes go down when he is playing the best ball of his career? Seems odd to me.

I'd guess Alec didn't play much in the 4th because Corbin went big, playing Enes with Favors, and thought having an additional shooter on the court (RJ shooting .430 from 3 this season) was more important than having an additional ball handler. Favors subbed in (to play with Kanter) at the same time Alec subbed out (Jefferson had subbed in earlier in the quarter). Burks played 31 minutes against the Lakers.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'd guess Alec didn't play much in the 4th because Corbin went big, playing Enes with Favors, and thought having an additional shooter on the court (RJ shooting .430 from 3 this season) was more important than having an additional ball handler. Favors subbed in (to play with Kanter) at the same time Alec subbed out (Jefferson had subbed in earlier in the quarter). Burks played 31 minutes against the Lakers.

Maybe you decrease his minutes a little then, sure i get that
but 16 against memphis and 23 last night is a bit too much just for matchups imo. Plus last night burks was playing quite well (though so was jefferson)....If they are both playing well then i would think that you go with burks since he is under contract next year and jefferson has publicly stated that he wants to sign on with a contender and go after a ring so he wont be back.

But i do think corbin still thinks of vets as a safer bet (security blanket) in close games and so his instinct is to go with jefferson over burks. He is defaulting to vets less though.

Also i think corbin really really likes jefferson, and in interviews i have heard he does seem like a great guy, and has never been a big fan of burks so it makes some sense why he would choose jefferson over burks. I just dont like it.

 

[fishonjazz]

A couple things:

1. Kanter played from the 2:26 to the 0:14 mark of the 2nd. He played from the 7:01 mark of the 3rd. Through 3 quarters, he was basically given an additional 6 minutes due to Favors foul trouble (compared to the regular substitution patterns since Enes's last start, a stretch of 10 games).

2. Kanter and Favors played together from 5:28 to 1:37 of the 4th. It was the first time in the last 10 games (since Enes's last start) that the two had played together in the 4th. Before last night, over the 9 games since Enes's last start, other than in the blowout loss to Atlanta (Kanter played the whole 4th and Favors sat the whole 4th in that game), Favors subbed in for Kanter in each 4th quarter (somewhere between the start of the quarter and the 6:07 mark).

Had Kanter not been given the additional 6 minutes in the first 3 quarters, maybe he doesn't show enough to Corbin to get extended 4th quarter minutes with Favors. I don't agree with that assessment, and think Corbin played Enes because he's the only Jazz big who can bang with Blake (Marvin tried to defend him for stretches earlier in the game...) and because Kanter was clearly engaged/focused/motivated and physical.

Ya it was probably just coincedence that kanters minutes went way up when favors got in foul trouble.
Im sure corbin planned on giving kanter over 30 minutes all along due to matchups.

 

[franklin]

Maybe you decrease his minutes a little then, sure i get that
but 16 against memphis and 23 last night is a bit too much just for matchups imo. Plus last night burks was playing quite well (though so was jefferson)....If they are both playing well then i would think that you go with burks since he is under contract next year and jefferson has publicly stated that he wants to sign on with a contender and go after a ring so he wont be back.

But i do think corbin still thinks of vets as a safer bet (security blanket) in close games and so his instinct is to go with jefferson over burks. He is defaulting to vets less though.

Also i think corbin really really likes jefferson, and in interviews i have heard he does seem like a great guy, and has never been a big fan of burks so it makes some sense why he would choose jefferson over burks. I just dont like it.

Your own admission that Corbin is using vets less [as the younger guys have grown better] shatters this cliché that has tirelessly stuck to Corbin from day one.

Bottom line is fans way overestimated the talent in a few young guys and haven't been honest with themselves about it yet.