Epstein is in Trouble

[Zombie]

You’re not reading my posts, are you?

“Muslims believe X.”
“Muslims do not believe X.”
“Everything I’ve read and all my friends talking about it know that Muslims believe X.”
“Muslims do not believe X.”
“That’s not what I’ve heard.”

Yes, it was called pizzagate because of Comet Ping Pong Pizza. No. It had nothing to do with Hillary. No, just because because your news articles have repeated that doesn’t make it true.

From a year ago, here’s a good overview from “a truther” and the “father of conspiracy” himself. Even Alex Jones mentions exactly nothing about Hillary in relation to the pizza place:

Spoiler

Again, you’re not actually listening to what it is I’m saying, are you?

My understanding is that the entire pizzagate conspiracy began when a bunch of "internet sleuths" on 4chan and elsewhere went through John Podestas leaked emails and decided that his conversations about pizza contained code words for his pedophiliac activity. The conspiracy also alleges that Hillary was recruiting/kidnapping children through her Foundation.

Now, I'm not arguing that you believe this, but that's literally what pizza gate is about.

My point about Epstein is that lots of people were aware of Epstein and his connection to powerful politicians and celebrities without subscribing to or knowing every detail of the pizzagate theory.

 

[cowhide]

Remember when President Trump banned him from Mar a Lago. Funny how you socialist democrats and never Trumpers leave out things that shoot holes in your argument. Kind of like withholding exculpatory evidence, which Mueller right hand man was known for.

Does that change the fact that he was buddies with him before his friendship ended due to a bad business deal between the two. It isn't like Trump had some moral crisis and dropped the friendship. Funny how you neo conservatives whine about liberals when you don't even look at actual facts.

 

[cowhide]

If you have sources for stories on pizzagate before the guy went in there with guns I'd be very interested in them. In particular, if you have Alex Jones or Breitbart stories from before the story broke after the guy was arrested that paint the full picture, that would certainly lend credibility to you post.

Alex Jones or Breitbart have no credibility and the Pizza gate theory was some right winged story to attack the Clintons.

 

[Getting Traded]

I myself never put much stock in Pizzagate. It sounded like simply a political attack. There is no evidence of the Clintons' involvement in pedophilia, but there is a lot of other evidence of them engaging in nefarious activities.

 

[infection]

My understanding is that the entire pizzagate conspiracy began when a bunch of "internet sleuths" on 4chan and elsewhere went through John Podestas leaked emails and decided that his conversations about pizza contained code words for his pedophiliac activity. The conspiracy also alleges that Hillary was recruiting/kidnapping children through her Foundation.

The first part is right. The second part is not. Not even your link above mentions Clinton.

My point about Epstein is that lots of people were aware of Epstein and his connection to powerful politicians and celebrities without subscribing to or knowing every detail of the pizzagate theory.

Again, this is not my point. My point is that everyone has heard of pizzagate. Everyone has rejected pizzagate as conspiracy theory. Again, I don’t care. The bigger issue is that people have rejected it without knowing anything about it. Again, I don’t care. The question arises why people, such as thriller, were so ignorant on Epstein. If they knew enough to reject pizzagate (which anyone can clearly reject that), they would have known about Epstein, unless they dismissed pizzagate without having any clue about it. Like I said, people can reject Islam because “they’re terrorists,” but that doesn’t mean that it’s good reasoning. Now, you can reject Islam for a whole host of reasons, and perhaps some of those are rational, but that doesn’t mean that all the reasons you could reject it are good. Rejecting pizzagate “because right wingers” may be a suitable rubric for a lot of things, but when it it keeps people from really understanding what they’re rejecting, it can create blind spots.

I’d again refer you to the Joe Rogan video. We can keep going in circles about “OMG Hillary!” but Hillary isn’t part of pizzagate. Only in the abstract that her campaign manager was being looked at.

 

[infection]

There is no evidence of the Clintons' involvement in pedophilia

Who said there was? Links? Please link to people making this argument and not to people arguing that people are making this argument.

 

[fishonjazz]

Yeah, and we also need to use our brains and make "logical" assumptions. If you were a prison guard and a guy had just been taken off suicide watch because he supposedly had tried to hang himself (there were supposedly rope burns around his neck), the logical assumption is that a) the prison guard and his bosses would make doubly sure he didn't have anything in his possession with which he could hang himself or b) the guards and prison officials are so ****ing stupid and incompetent they need to be relieved of their jobs at once. Sounds like the reality you're living in, is la-la land, where someday you're going to go to heaven and live happily everafter with our benevolent creator.

How did he die? Have they said?

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[fishonjazz]

I don't know what he used, but if it were something with which he could hang himself, you think they are going to let him have it, a guy who had previously tried to hang himself? The most important factor here is that he wasn't just an ordinary prisoner, some homeless guy. He had damaging information about Clinton, possibly Trump, an English prince. In fact, he was connected with the CIA in international currency manipulation. This guy was important and you don't treat someone like this with indifference.

Couldn't you hang yourself with a shirt or pair of pants?

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[infection]

Alex Jones or Breitbart have no credibility and the Pizza gate theory was some right winged story to attack the Clintons.

The only connection to the Clintons was that Podesta was her campaign manager, and in the larger view that Bill had a connection to Epstein. So if the association is what we’re calling an attack on the Clintons, sure, but if we’re saying that there were salacious allegations of Clinton running a prostitution ring, no, those were never allegations, but that was the popular portrayal of what pizzagate was.

 

[Getting Traded]

Couldn't you hang yourself with a shirt or pair of pants?

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Maybe. Not sure how easy it would be though. Think about it. We have no idea what was used, how it was done, from where he hung himself. So many unanswered questions. It seems we are stretching credulity to find an excuse to corroborate what we're being told.

 

[Zombie]

The first part is right. The second part is not. Not even your link above mentions Clinton.


Again, this is not my point. My point is that everyone has heard of pizzagate. Everyone has rejected pizzagate as conspiracy theory. Again, I don’t care. The bigger issue is that people have rejected it without knowing anything about it. Again, I don’t care. The question arises why people, such as thriller, were so ignorant on Epstein. If they knew enough to reject pizzagate (which anyone can clearly reject that), they would have known about Epstein, unless they dismissed pizzagate without having any clue about it. Like I said, people can reject Islam because “they’re terrorists,” but that doesn’t mean that it’s good reasoning. Now, you can reject Islam for a whole host of reasons, and perhaps some of those are rational, but that doesn’t mean that all the reasons you could reject it are good. Rejecting pizzagate “because right wingers” may be a suitable rubric for a lot of things, but when it it keeps people from really understanding what they’re rejecting, it can create blind spots.

I’d again refer you to the Joe Rogan video. We can keep going in circles about “OMG Hillary!” but Hillary isn’t part of pizzagate. Only in the abstract that her campaign manager was being looked at.

It's right friggin there. And one of the links that Kim Dotcom provided inludes a redditor "connecting the dots" to Hillary abducting children in Haiti, which was then amplified by the altright on twitter and elsewhere. I remember a lot of alt right goons spreading that nonsense around.

 

[Zombie]

The only connection to the Clintons was that Podesta was her campaign manager, and in the larger view that Bill had a connection to Epstein. So if the association is what we’re calling an attack on the Clintons, sure, but if we’re saying that there were salacious allegations of Clinton running a prostitution ring, no, those were never allegations, but that was the popular portrayal of what pizzagate was.

Kim Dotcom literally describes it as the Clinton/Podesta sex gang. Cmon man, this isn't that hard.

 

[infection]

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It's right friggin there. And one of the links that Kim Dotcom provided inludes a redditor "connecting the dots" to Hillary abducting children in Haiti, which was then amplified by the altright on twitter and elsewhere. I remember a lot of alt right goons spreading that nonsense around.

Kim Dotcom literally describes it as the Clinton/Podesta sex gang. Cmon man, this isn't that hard.

Did you read the article?

 

[Zombie]

Did you read the article?

Why are you being deliberately obtuse about this? I thought you weren't concerned with how the media portrayed it. In any case he linked to four articles so I'm not sure which one you are referring to.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017...candal-and-how-media-attempted-ignorecover-it

If you are interested in articles now, here's an article from popular alt right zero hedge that alleges that actually it was Hillary's involvement in child abducting in Haiti that started pizza gate. And just for the heck of it here's a link to the reddit thread that wikileaks and others picked up on.

https://archive.is/CZP2F

 

[Red]

Intéresting essay...

Why are right wing conspiracies so obsessed with pedophilia?

https://www.motherjones.com/politic...ing-conspiracies-so-obsessed-with-pedophilia/

"The McMartin preschool scandal of the 1980s was a sort of analog version of the more recent Pizzagate, part of a lurid and misbegotten moral panic about subterranean child abuse. Even though the supposed crimes unfolded thousands of miles and several decades apart, under very different circumstances, the two conspiracy theories share the same rough contours. The McMartin saga, which began in 1983 with accusations made by one boy’s mother, came to encompass fantastical claims about a massive pedophile ring lurking beneath a preschool in Manhattan Beach, California. Pizzagate was concocted during the 2016 presidential campaign and alleged that prominent figures in the Democratic Party were running a child sex ring in tunnels beneath the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria in a residential Washington, DC, neighborhood. Both spun off into new theories: Amid a full-on national hysteria, McMartin spawned a series of day-care conspiracies, while Pizzagate has led to QAnon, an even wilder conspiracy theory that postulates that President Donald Trump is on the verge of arresting a throng of liberal elites for facilitating and participating in a sprawling child sex ring. Both drew on natural fears about child safety and supercharged them into national phenomena with real-world ramifications. Both of course were fictions."

 

[fishonjazz]

Maybe. Not sure how easy it would be though. Think about it. We have no idea what was used, how it was done, from where he hung himself. So many unanswered questions. It seems we are stretching credulity to find an excuse to corroborate what we're being told.

Exactly. We have no idea.
I keep you saying he hung himself to die.

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[Getting Traded]

And "prison" doesn't do the evaluation, a psychologist does.

Have you been following the actual info or just the propaganda.

Officials have been releasing information. None of what they say has to be true, but the starting point is to take their official statements and demonstrate how what they said is NOT true. None of you even seem to know what the official statements are, you don't care what they are, you're just pushing your bald assumptions as facts.

This comment suggests that everyone else who works at the prison is a dumb **** like you and can't think for themselves. Maybe they are, and if the psychologist tells them to give him a rope, some pills, and a revolver, it's ok because he no longer wants to kill himself.

 

[gandalfe]

This comment suggests that everyone else who works at the prison is a dumb **** like you and can't think for themselves. Maybe they are, and if the psychologist tells them to give him a rope, some pills, and a revolver, it's ok because he no longer wants to kill himself.

If they did deny him things like sheets even though the psychologist said it was OK, they would be setting themselves and the jail up for a serious lawsuit.

I think it's reasonable to ask why he was taken off suicide watch, if indeed he was. It is not reasonable to then ask why the guards followed protocol.

 

[Archie Moses]

Lol @ the people who get butt hurt over people sharing tweets or rumors on a discussion forum and acting like they can't discuss something until the investigation is over or like their sources need to be credited or can't be used. You know, because having a discussion on an online forum has the same standards for you has news organizations and college thesis and research papers.


Holy ****.


And no, this doesn't mean that I don't care about source credibility. Lol


Hehepeepeecaca

 

[The Thriller]

This comment suggests that everyone else who works at the prison is a dumb **** like you and can't think for themselves. Maybe they are, and if the psychologist tells them to give him a rope, some pills, and a revolver, it's ok because he no longer wants to kill himself.

No one is saying that everyone who works at a prison is a dumbass.

But it’s not a stretch to claim that prison workers aren’t the most educated or talented workers out there nor is it unreasonable to accuse our prison system of being horribly mismanaged.