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Explain the Monroe Love

No, you still draft BPA, unless you are unreasonably stacked at that position. Obviously we wont draft a PG, even if there was a pretty one available, but we still need a backup PF/C, and we should go for the most complete and best one available. With Boozer out, we lose a ton of offense, and Monroe would help out a lot offensively.
 
No, you still draft BPA, unless you are unreasonably stacked at that position. Obviously we wont draft a PG, even if there was a pretty one available, but we still need a backup PF/C, and we should go for the most complete and best one available. With Boozer out, we lose a ton of offense, and Monroe would help out a lot offensively.

Even if that player doesn't fit as well as another that's on the board? I'm not a believer in talent being the lone piece of criteria to evaluate a prospect. If we were the Wizards? Yes, pick the BPA because they have holes everywhere. The Jazz? No, pick a player that fills weaknesses, fits a team's mentality and what they are trying to do, and improves the team as a whole. Yes, even if the player is a little less talented overall. Monroe being above and beyond more talented than any other realistic Jazz prospect in this draft is debatable regardless.
 
Monroe will not be there at #9. He's going to go higher than that.

No projects please (aka "Big upside" players). The Jazz cannot afford to miss on this pick. Monroe would be a good no-miss pick. That's why he's coveted by the teams ahead of us.
 
Well our holes are at the "Big Man" position. So yeah, take the best big man available talent wise. Plus Monroe is one of the more developed big men, so its not like he is just a "talent".
 
I completely disagree with this. When not picking in the top 3-5 picks (when picking a potential franchise player), it should almost always be about need first and foremost. There's not enough depth in almost any draft to be basing your team around the 9th pick in the draft. If you are, you are in for a LONG rebuilding process. Especially on a team established with a core in place such as the Jazz do. Draft a player that fills a need and is able to contribute right away, not on a hypothetical that this may be the most talented player available. Monroe isn't good enough to reshape a roster around him. We're not talking about John Wall here...
No Monroe probably isn't good enough to reshape around him but I think he fits in with a lot of what you said he is a big man, he doesn't fit the defensive need but fits every other way. Also my comment was a bit more of if the Jazz drafted Henry or Aminu, sorry should've made that more clear.
 
Well our holes are at the "Big Man" position. So yeah, take the best big man available talent wise. Plus Monroe is one of the more developed big men, so its not like he is just a "talent".

Is he physical and tough? Is he an aggressive rebounder? Will he mix it up inside defensively? Personally, I think he's more a finesse player who isn't any of those things. I think the Jazz have enough of those. It's repetitive and not as helpful as someone who fills as need such as being a defensive interior force. He may or may not be more talented overall over other prospects, but he will never be those things that I just asked and therefore not improve the team as much overall as someone who does. Having talent, even at a position of need, isn't everything. That's my view. I know you'll probably still disagree with me but hopefully you can at least see what I am saying.
 
The things that all of you have mentioned as his downfalls are the same things that everyone said Chris Bosh had problems with coming into his draft. Just because a player is given a soft tag doesn't mean that is how he well be when confronted with NBA talent and NBA coaching. The Kid just turned 2o years old and has a lot of development to do. Because he is as developed as he is coming out of Georgetown (a team that develops big men well) he well be gone before the Jazz even get a shot at him. And we well al be shaking our head in a few years when if turns into another Chris Bosh, Chris Webber type player. Thats the problem with the 9th pick its a complete crap shoot.
 
I completely disagree with this. When not picking in the top 3-5 picks (when picking a potential franchise player), it should almost always be about need first and foremost. There's not enough depth in almost any draft to be basing your team around the 9th pick in the draft. If you are, you are in for a LONG rebuilding process. Especially on a team established with a core in place such as the Jazz do. Draft a player that fills a need and is able to contribute right away, not on a hypothetical that this may be the most talented player available. Monroe isn't good enough to reshape a roster around him. We're not talking about John Wall here...

I second this opinion.

Furthermore, how does Monroe improve the Jazz in the short or even long term?

Does anyone realistically see him playing in front of Millsap or AK47 next year at the 4? Perhaps in the future, maybe. But even then, is he or Millsap going to be the "franchise" PF? Doubt it. Millsap is too small and Monroe is too slow (and soft).

Monroe does absolutely nothing to improve the Jazz. He gives us nothing that AK47 (passing) and Millsap (scoring) can't give us.

He can't play the center spot. Predicting him to be Bogut is hilarious. If he does, if you thought Boom Bitches and John Amachi were soft, wait until you get a good look at Monroe.

Again, every year there's a few players that the media falls in love with. Monroe, a big, skilled bigman without toughness or passion. Many of these players are taken, very few ever pan out.

cali's comparison of Monroe to Spencer Hawes isn't a bad one. Quite honestly, the Jazz don't need someone like Hawes. A selection of Monroe all but guarantees another lottery pick next year, a pissed off Deron, and a franchise in need of some answers. Losing potentially Boozer and Korver, with Memo's uncertain future with the only gain being Monroe is a very scary thought.
 
Lack if passion?! Locke just pointed out that he had his best game of his career in the 4th game of 4 games in 4 nights.
 
Lack if passion?! Locke just pointed out that he had his best game of his career in the 4th game of 4 games in 4 nights.

He was playing at MSG for the Big East championship on national TV. Anybody who plays basketball would want to play in those games. It's the regular season games in the middle of the season that you find out about someone. He had a tendency to take some games off in those situations. Part of it could be maturity...only time will tell whether it is a fatal flaw or not. Not a risk I like taking if I don't have to. He's not talented enough to ignore some of those issues, IMO.

But thank you for confirming my theory of why Monroe is so popular on here...
 
The other funny thing with all of your nitpicking on Monroe is, whoever it if that you would prefer over Monroe could be dissected to the same extent or even more so.
 
Lack if passion?! Locke just pointed out that he had his best game of his career in the 4th game of 4 games in 4 nights.

LOL... Just as many have said said, the explanation for Monroe's sudden surge of popularity is due to Locke's week long love affair with him. No one can ever deny the influence the media has on your minds.
 
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The other funny thing with all of your nitpicking on Monroe is, whoever it if that you would prefer over Monroe could be dissected to the same extent or even more so.

That's all a matter of opinion/perspective, clearly. I'm not claiming I know everything there is to know about evaluating prospects, I just know what I would want the Jazz to do and who I think best fits that. We're clearly both looking for different things out of this pick. Monroe just isn't at the top of the list for me.
 
Everyone loves him because he said nice things about the Jazz. After Ron Harper and Sikely et hating on Utah over the years, I think fanz tend to overlook the shortcomings of a player who speaks positively of Utah. It's pretty smart if you want that fans to fall in love with you.

I don't think Hawes is a good comparison. Hawes can block shots but isn't consistent offensively. That doesn't sound like Monroe at all.
 
^LOL

i don't know if people on this site are that high on monroe(i don't listen to radio). But it's clear there is a drop in talent after the top 5 picks.
 
Man, i am just not excited at all for this draft. Monroe seems like he'd be an alright pro, but I think we'd be just as well off with anyone else that's been mentioned in that range.

I'm kind of hoping we trade up or down.
 
He was playing at MSG for the Big East championship on national TV. Anybody who plays basketball would want to play in those games. It's the regular season games in the middle of the season that you find out about someone. He had a tendency to take some games off in those situations. Part of it could be maturity...only time will tell whether it is a fatal flaw or not. Not a risk I like taking if I don't have to. He's not talented enough to ignore some of those issues, IMO.

But thank you for confirming my theory of why Monroe is so popular on here...

You are also completely ignoring the fact that he had played each of the past 3 nights with heavy minutes. People who lack intensity dont play well on nights like those. I also dont mind guys who play well on the big stage.
 
Yeah, I wish I was excited about somebody. At least I won't be disappointed when my favorite player gets passed on by the Jazz.

It'll be interesting to see who in this fairly level draft becomes a stud.
 
If this guy has so much passion, and if he has all of this talent and elite size (for the NCAA), why is it that he didn't dominate?
 
I am not totally anti Monroe, and while he is probably tall enough to play center, his lack of athleticism and softness does not make him ideal there. Passing is nice, but probably the fourth stat you look at for a center and PF. Either go for an all out center (Whiteside), make a trade to move up for Favors (see other threads), or you take the most talented player available which CLEARLY is one of the wings (George, Henry, Babbitt).
 
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