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infection said:
I'd say it'd be nice to have another longer guy to slow down Kyrie, but it's probably not a great idea to expect a guy who hasn't played in nearly a year to come in and do that. In any case, his body [see what I did there?] on the court prevents Niang from playing, so that's a plus.
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YEP
 
NAOS said:
Mudiay has a lot in common with Burks, so this makes sense.

Our bench needs help. I hope Exum can be a version of help.
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Agree to disagree. Mudiay rarely gets to the line, plays a different position, and isn't nearly as athletic and isn't as good a three point shooter.

He is better at scoring in the mid range though and steadier overall on both ends of the court.

They do both turn it over too much.

Regardless of their similarities or lack there of mudiay is putting up good numbers turnovers aside.


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I'm not believing Exum is anything but a hologram until he actually steps onto the court. I understand being cautious but this seems excessive. Hope it pays dividends.
 
fishonjazz said:
Agree to disagree. Mudiay rarely gets to the line, plays a different position, and isn't nearly as athletic and isn't as good a three point shooter.

He is better at scoring in the mid range though and steadier overall on both ends of the court.

They do both turn it over too much.

Regardless of their similarities or lack there of mudiay is putting up good numbers turnovers aside.


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I didn’t say they had everything in common.

The major thing they have in common is they both make up their mind about what they’re going to force a full second before they should. Or longer. Mudiay has the tools to get away with this a bit better than Burks, but I hope he can be trained out of it.
 
NAOS said:
I didn’t say they had everything in common.

The major thing they have in common is they both make up their mind about what they’re going to force a full second before they should. Or longer. Mudiay has the tools to get away with this a bit better than Burks, but I hope he can be trained out of it.
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I see your point. However I like each of them (one way more than the other) for different reasons none of which are that they make up their minds before they should.

I just think mudiay has been a good backup point guard for us on both ends of the floor in his handful of games so far for us. Nothing more and nothing less. Exum on the other hand has been mostly crappy imo in his many years with us.
I just hope we keep rolling with mudiay when Exum is healthy.
I, like you, do hope that Exum can help the bench if and when he does play though.
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What the hell? Are they keeping him off the court so he can be traded without the next injury taking place before the deal is done? I've always hoped he could contribute but at this point if he were traded for a case of Gatorade at least our guys could stay hydrated for a minute.
 
SoUjazzfan said:
What the hell? Are they keeping him off the court so he can be traded without the next injury taking place before the deal is done? I've always hoped he could contribute but at this point if he were traded for a case of Gatorade at least our guys could stay hydrated for a minute.
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He has to be in shape to return... he was seen breathing real hard and grabbing his shorts in practice... the training staff forgot that's how he always looks when he plays basketball.
 
NAOS said:
I didn’t say they had everything in common.

The major thing they have in common is they both make up their mind about what they’re going to force a full second before they should. Or longer. Mudiay has the tools to get away with this a bit better than Burks, but I hope he can be trained out of it.
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This is fair... I'd just say that AB would make up his mind he's gonna shoot then go... Mudiay seems to make up his mind then get to his spot... I'm 1000% okay with what Mudiay is doing... turnovers should come down a touch. Having a bench creator that eats up some possessions at a league average rate is solid. If he is passable on defense and limits the turnovers then its more that solid. His defense has been fine so far... to be fair I expected Kanter/Harden(in a city with good strip clubs) levels of terrible.
 
Last time Exum was 'rushed' back from injury, he was incredibly bad and then one of his knees exploded, so this is good I guess.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
This is fair... I'd just say that AB would make up his mind he's gonna shoot then go... Mudiay seems to make up his mind then get to his spot... I'm 1000% okay with what Mudiay is doing... turnovers should come down a touch. Having a bench creator that eats up some possessions at a league average rate is solid. If he is passable on defense and limits the turnovers then its more that solid. His defense has been fine so far... to be fair I expected Kanter/Harden(in a city with good strip clubs) levels of terrible.
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Mostly agreed, but he uses a couple of possessions a game where he doesn't pass the ball once and that's unacceptable. He also doesn't even attempt 3s which bodes poorly for his playing off-ball.

I like Mudiay, but there are some real warts there.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Last time Exum was 'rushed' back from injury, he was incredibly bad and then one of his knees exploded, so this is good I guess.
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Last time he was babied back from an injury stuff still exploded though... If we bring him back now he might get hurt earlier and be back from that injury for the playoffs... where he can give us a couple solid games before going out with his season ending injury... but if he is healthy in the summer maybe we can move his expiring deal...

This is some next level injury management.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Last time he was babied back from an injury stuff still exploded though... If we bring him back now he might get hurt earlier and be back from that injury for the playoffs... where he can give us a couple solid games before going out with his season ending injury... but if he is healthy in the summer maybe we can move his expiring deal...

This is some next level injury management.
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Yeah I got nothing.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Mostly agreed, but he uses a couple of possessions a game where he doesn't pass the ball once and that's unacceptable. He also doesn't even attempt 3s which bodes poorly for his playing off-ball.

I like Mudiay, but there are some real warts there.
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I've seen those too... problem is he scores on those pretty regularly. He doesn't risk turnover if he just goes in there and gets his shot up... so that's a plus.

It depends on who he is on the floor with and what is going on in the game, but I'm okay with those shots as long as they are good shots. Sometimes I think we should dumb down the offense a bit and Mudiay does that for sure. Seriously... watching Royce/Joe pass up shot for a drive and kick out drives me crazy sometimes.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Mostly agreed, but he uses a couple of possessions a game where he doesn't pass the ball once and that's unacceptable. He also doesn't even attempt 3s which bodes poorly for his playing off-ball.

I like Mudiay, but there are some real warts there.
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The question is, who's warts are worse? Exum or mudiay.
I mean if you have a backup point guard without warts then they probably shouldn't be a backup.
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fishonjazz said:
The question is, who's warts are worse? Exum or mudiay.
I mean if you have a backup point guard without warts then they probably shouldn't be a backup.
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Solid point. I don’t think he’s amazing but if he was he isn’t a bench piece and isn’t available for the minimum.

He might have that Shaun Livingston type mid range game... gets it a little differently but I’m cool with him shooting those shots as long as he’s doing some of the other good stuff too. I think I was more frustrated with AB dribbling with no purpose at times... rather than just making his move he’d side dribble and it’s stop the ball... Mudiay seems to ball stop with intention and his shooting is slightly above league average.
 
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