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Exum Finishes 4th In ESPN ROY Forecast

I pirated some summer league... watched from my computer... on my couch.

HERE'S WHAT I HAVE CONCLUDED ABOUT DANTE EXUM! DAMN THE SO-CALLED EXPERTS!:

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I also watched the free scrimmage, but I'm still analyzing that footage. More to come.
 
Again, anyone is free to explain how they test for "fire". And since they act like they have a list that scores it out perfectly....Dante being up with Kobe, etc. Let's see the list. Apparently they have going back to the 1996 draft at least. That's a lot of data.

Stop defaming Kobe by making that comparison.
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Again, anyone is free to explain how they test for "fire". And since they act like they have a list that scores it out perfectly....Dante being up with Kobe, etc. Let's see the list. Apparently they have going back to the 1996 draft at least. That's a lot of data.
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1. I've never seen the data; don't think it's publicly available.

2. Andrea Bargnani apparently slaughtered those tests. I'm inclined to think they're ********. A player's on-court demeanor is displayed on the court.

3. With that said, he's a young kid who hasn't played much recently or much against grown men. He's also been asked to play off-ball more in both summer league and with the Australian National team. I don't think there's any cause for concern yet.
 
It would be interesting to see where somebody like Lance Stephenson would be on that test.

I should note that I think Dante's mental makeup is good. He seems bright. Stable. All good things. When you have that on top of skills(even raw ones) and athletic ability, you do have potential. I'm not predicting he's going to be bad(though I don't think the crazy upside is there). I'm just adjusting my viewpoint from things we've been hearing he was.....but haven't seen yet. I was never expecting to hear a lot of compliments about him be like what you might hear when somebody describes Kendall Marshall......"he tries to get other players involved first"......"he lets the game come to him."
 
Duck Rodgers said:
Please explain how they test that. Because you know how you test that? You watch them play in games.
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Lol, that does help but this kind of testing goes far beyonf sports. Do they make mistakes? Sure they do but their margin of error, as a result of their experience, is far less than the average persons.

Edit: Also we are not making that comparison. We are telling you that those in the business are the ones making it.

If you do not want to believe that then fine with me. I think when there is smoke there is sometimes fire. If, again note that I said if, it is true then he will bust his butt and work on all the areas he needs to.
 
tleikheen said:
This is baloney ,watch him play defense against some of the opposing players fastest guys and Exum is in front of them with his hands up.Another baloney ,quit making up crap ,......he's having trouble keeping up in D...........he is moving as quick and as fast as all the players out there.



Well ,cant let you come here and make up stories .....If you pull up the stats of the other 3 Aussie guards ,clearly Exum is finding the hole much more than the others .Im just amazed you can exaggerate without any proof at all ,your take is false.
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lol, really? Making **** up? How many of his game did you actually see? I saw every single one of them I could get my hands on.
vs Finland 1, 2pt, 5 ast, 2 rebounds, 2 steals, 0 TO first half
vs Finland 1, 0pt, 1 ast, 0 rb, 1 st, 1 TO second half
vs Ukraine 9pts, 1ast, 2rb, 1st, 0 TO first half
vs Ukraine 5pts, 2ast, 1rb 0 TO second half
vs Lithuania 5pts, 3ast, 1rb, 0TO first half
vs Lithuania 0pts, 1 ast, 0rb, 2TO second half
vs Finland 2 10pt, 1 ast, 1 rb, 0 TO first half,
vs Finland 2 0pts, 1 ast, 0 rb, 3 TO second half

1st halves: 26pts, 10ast, 6rb, 3st, 0 TO
2nd halves: 5pts, 5ast, 1rb, 1 st, 6 TO

Is that enough of a proof for you?

I can't bother making a video of the way his defensive play falls down when he gasses. Of course he plays with the fastest players of the opposing team and that is probably physically demanding of him, he does good when he's fresh, he even fights his way through the screens. That's not exactly the case when he gasses, he gives up on plays. His offensive intensity and aggression falls dramatically, too. The stats show that much more clearly.

And to finish off, I'd say again - I really, really, REALLY would prefer him having conditioning problems right now(which can be relatively easily fixed), than the alternative, which spells much more worries and doubts about his play.
 
I tend to think that some of Dante's statements regarding where he wants to play (on the ball) even though it may rub the incumbent the wrong way is telling of his fire and demeanor. He does not give a **** about Trey and Treys ego. All he cares about is relegating him to the bench or off the ball. Takes balls for an 18 year old to make the statements he has in a political but emphatic way.
 
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lol, really? Making **** up? How many of his game did you actually see? I saw every single one of them I could get my hands on.
vs Finland 1, 2pt, 5 ast, 2 rebounds, 2 steals, 0 TO first half
vs Finland 1, 0pt, 1 ast, 0 rb, 1 st, 1 TO second half
vs Ukraine 9pts, 1ast, 2rb, 1st, 0 TO first half
vs Ukraine 5pts, 2ast, 1rb 0 TO second half
vs Lithuania 5pts, 3ast, 1rb, 0TO first half
vs Lithuania 0pts, 1 ast, 0rb, 2TO second half
vs Finland 2 10pt, 1 ast, 1 rb, 0 TO first half,
vs Finland 2 0pts, 1 ast, 0 rb, 3 TO second half

1st halves: 26pts, 10ast, 6rb, 3st, 0 TO
2nd halves: 5pts, 5ast, 1rb, 1 st, 6 TO

Is that enough of a proof for you?

I can't bother making a video of the way his defensive play falls down when he gasses. Of course he plays with the fastest players of the opposing team and that is probably physically demanding of him, he does good when he's fresh, he even fights his way through the screens. That's not exactly the case when he gasses, he gives up on plays. His offensive intensity and aggression falls dramatically, too. The stats show that much more clearly.

And to finish off, I'd say again - I really, really, REALLY would prefer him having conditioning problems right now(which can be relatively easily fixed), than the alternative, which spells much more worries and doubts about his play.
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I think you have provided some nice coverage and probably can speak to Dantes peformance better than most here, but what were his minutes per half? If I recall seesm like they benched Dante for the Vets in the second half, right?
 
Vermin said:
I think you have provided some nice coverage and probably can speak to Dantes peformance better than most here, but what were his minutes per half? If I recall seesm like they benched Dante for the Vets in the second half, right?
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With the exception of the last game(which I didn't watch, just followed the boxscore, and in which he had less minutes towards the end), I think his minutes were relatively evenly distributed. He's played about 81.5 minutes in the 4 games so far. He usually starts for about 6 minutes then he's given rest for the remaining of the first quarter and he doesn't start the second one either. He usually gets in at about 5 mins of the second quarter. Then he starts the second half and plays for about 5 minutes and is then rested on the bench and depending on how his play is going, he gets about 4-5 minutes in the last quarter as well. I don't have the exact numbers, but if I had to guess I'd say he's playing about 11-12 minutes in first half and about 8.5-9.5 in the second.

I don't think Gibson is better than him for sure and I don't think Dellavedova is in general better either, but his level drops towards the end and I think that's why he gets less minutes towards the end of games.
 
I don't think Gibson is better than him for sure and I don't think Dellavedova is in general better either, but his level drops towards the end and I think that's why he gets less minutes towards the end of games.
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All this thinking and guessing ,you don't know do you.........I'll put my thinking in here and say I think they put their vets in there at the end and lost,had nothing to do with Exum's conditioning.

There's probably about 5 more exhibition games before the Fiba ,then we'll see how the Aussies play,who will they count on when they want to play for a medal.
 
Burke will probably get around 30 mpg this year, that leaves 18 for Dante as the PG ball in hand, and he can probably survive off the ball for another 6. You can never have enough passing, wide open jumpers = cash money for NBA players.
 
b_line said:
Those bleacher report articles looked really concerning. Almost like the jazz have no idea that exum might be better than Burke, despite being drafted four spots ahead of him in what was widely considered a draft that was head and shoulders above burke's draft. Thanks bleacher report, you never cease to give unbiased reports, covering the cold hard facts of the nba.
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Or perhaps SL was an experiment designed to just give Trey and Dante as much PT as possible. Jazz didn't exactly have quality SG's during SL. Of course they're going to struggle a bit as Exum has not played off guard. The two PG line-up is not unique. Phoenix does it; Sloan even did it with Deron/Fisher and then Deron/Maynor. If the Jazz play up-tempo with a lot of ball movement, I doubt any player will average more than 30 mins. That means Exum gets 18 at PG and maybe 6 at SG initially until he shows he can play 30 mins without grabbing the bottom of his shorts. Here's what I see happening at the 1-2-3 in terms of mins. (144 total)

Hayward, Burks, Burke - 30 mins each = 90 mins
Hood, Exum - 20 min each = 40 mins
Clark, Felix - 14 combined. Likely will alternate being inactive for games.

Cut Burke down to 28 and you could play Exum 20...all at PG.
 
tleikheen said:
All this thinking and guessing ,you don't know do you.........I'll put my thinking in here and say I think they put their vets in there at the end and lost,had nothing to do with Exum's conditioning.

There's probably about 5 more exhibition games before the Fiba ,then we'll see how the Aussies play,who will they count on when they want to play for a medal.
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All is guessing and thinking, and don't pretend like you are doing anything different than me, unless you are a part of the Australian national team staff and have some inside knowledge about their decision making. At least I support my thinking and guessing with numbers, while you throw temper tantrums, whenever somebody disagrees with you.
 
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