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Favors and Kanter's midrange shot

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The assumption a lot of people have is that Kanter's midrange shot is better than Favors, we even see suggestions that Favors should be traded because Kanter spaces the floor better and is going to be better fit to play along Gobert, but after Favor's improvements in the last off-season is that really so? Is Kanter's midrange really so much better than Favors? Well, I decided to check that and here are the results for the season:

From 10-16 feet:
Favors: 42%=> shoots 19% of his shots from that range
Kanter: 45%=> shoots 21% of his shots from that range

From 16 feet to 3P line:
Favors 39% => shoots 10% of his shots from that range
Kanter 32% => shoots 9% of his shots from that range

At this point I am not really sure if it is fair say that Kanter is better at spacing the floor. His low-post game is probably better than Favors', but his mid-range shot is arguably similar to that of Favors. I wonder if Favors can try extending his shot to the 3P line next off-season since the drop off from 10-16 to 16-23 for him is just 3%. If he manages to extend his shot to 3P and if he can shoot it at 35% that'd be great.

Thoughts?
 
Favors bricking 3's is a bad idea but I always thought and voiced that if he develops a decent midrange, Enes would be a goner which is a no brainer. Maybe a shorter and more athletic forward would help the spacing more, but with Rudy stepping in for Enes, you have a lot of space to create. But you don't have to, since there would be already many upsides in order to win coming from defense.
 
I feel a lot better when Favs is shooting 15 footers than when Kanter is. I laughed last night when harpring said Kanter was a good shooter from the top of the key... he shoots 33% from there. I think Kanter is a good third big... he'll need to be paid accordingly.
 
Favors needs to be around the top of the key though. I don't think I've ever seen him hit a shot at the baseline. Can someone pull up their shot charts?
 
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Neither one of them needs to be traded. The jump in the cap is going to relieve any financial concerns for a while. Utah can afford to keep both Favors and Kanter for now. I'm guessing most people talking about trading Favors are assuming that one of them will need to be moved for financial reasons.
 
Why do we need a big who can shoot 3's?
There is PLENTY of spacing with Gobert around the basket, and Kanter or Favors 15-20 ft out and 2 wings and a PG behind the arc. Hayward and Alec have actually been pretty solid on their 3's. We just need a PG who can shoot straight and a solid backup who can do the same (might be Hood, but he's struggled).
 
freakazoid said:
Neither one of them needs to be traded. The jump in the cap is going to relieve any financial concerns for a while. Utah can afford to keep both Favors and Kanter for now. I'm guessing most people talking about trading Favors are assuming that one of them will need to be moved for financial reasons.
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Eventually, perhaps. But that won't need to be addressed until Gobert comes off his rookie deal and we know how much Hayward and Favors will be asking for on their next contracts. At that point, perhaps we DO trade Enes or Derrick. But I agree, why worry about it now? It's not like we're clearing cap space in 2016 for Lebron or Durant. Go with the three-headed monster and draft a 4 to develop who has range. Let Derrick and Enes push each other to see who is going to be the starter next to Gobert.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Why do we need a big who can shoot 3's?
There is PLENTY of spacing with Gobert around the basket, and Kanter or Favors 15-20 ft out and 2 wings and a PG behind the arc. Hayward and Alec have actually been pretty solid on their 3's. We just need a PG who can shoot straight and a solid backup who can do the same (might be Hood, but he's struggled).
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Because you always want as much spacing as you can get. Pretty simple concept.
 
I could see trading Kanter this year for a legit 2, but if that deal isn't available, then keep him.
 
framer said:
I could see trading Kanter this year for a legit 2, but if that deal isn't available, then keep him.
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Kanter and Burke for Dragic and pick? Kanter is a big and can spread the floor which Phoenix would like. Burke could be a backup for them. We get a legit pg we sorely need.
 
Hantlers said:
Because you always want as much spacing as you can get. Pretty simple concept.
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But will you trade 3-PT shooting for dominant inside play and better rebounding? My whole point is people seem to think we HAVE to get rid of Favors or Kanter because they can't shoot the 3. That really isn't our problem. The problem is we have wings who aren't hitting their threes.

Kanter is great inside. He's a helluva rebounder. You take him outside and eliminate the offensive rebounding. The NBA is such a copycat league. Teams go to the stretch-4 because they don't have dominant bigs. If the Jazz can pound teams by dominating inside, it will be our inside game vs. others relying on 3PT'ers from their PF's. Maybe a guy like Griffin hurts us, but I'll take the inside game every time.
 
QuinSnydersHair said:
Kanter and Burke for Dragic and pick? Kanter is a big and can spread the floor which Phoenix would like. Burke could be a backup for them. We get a legit pg we sorely need.
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And they give up a pick? Dragic is valued a lot more than that.
 
Stifle Tower said:
But will you trade 3-PT shooting for dominant inside play and better rebounding? My whole point is people seem to think we HAVE to get rid of Favors or Kanter because they can't shoot the 3. That really isn't our problem. The problem is we have wings who aren't hitting their threes.

Kanter is great inside. He's a helluva rebounder. You take him outside and eliminate the offensive rebounding. The NBA is such a copycat league. Teams go to the stretch-4 because they don't have dominant bigs. If the Jazz can pound teams by dominating inside, it will be our inside game vs. others relying on 3PT'ers from their PF's. Maybe a guy like Griffin hurts us, but I'll take the inside game every time.
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How many people are talking about the scenario you're laying out? Almost nobody is saying we have to trade Kanter or Favors. And obviously nobody wants to trade Favors for a guy like Ryan Anderson, but floor spacing is important. If it wasn't, you could play guys like Deandre Jordon and Gobert together.
 
Hantlers said:
How many people are talking about the scenario you're laying out? Almost nobody is saying we have to trade Kanter or Favors. And obviously nobody wants to trade Favors for a guy like Ryan Anderson, but floor spacing is important. If it wasn't, you could play guys like Deandre Jordon and Gobert together.
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Nobody? There have been multiple threads on trading Kanter or Favors, especially given the emergence of Gobert. Multiple posters have expressed concern over the lack of spacing with Gobert and either Favors or Kanter on the court. The OP suggest Favors should extend his range out to the 3. I'm not arguing spacing isn't good to have. Pretty obvious you can't have Jordon/Gobert together. My argument is that we don't necessarily need a stretch-4 to be great. IMO, Kanter and Favors need to be more consistent with their midrange games instead of trying to develop a 3PT shot. If they eventually can...FANTASTIC. If not, continue to dominate inside and let the other 3 players take the 3's.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Nobody? There have been multiple threads on trading Kanter or Favors, especially given the emergence of Gobert. Multiple posters have expressed concern over the lack of spacing with Gobert and either Favors or Kanter on the court. The OP suggest Favors should extend his range out to the 3. I'm not arguing spacing isn't good to have. Pretty obvious you can't have Jordon/Gobert together. My argument is that we don't necessarily need a stretch-4 to be great. IMO, Kanter and Favors need to be more consistent with their midrange games instead of trying to develop a 3PT shot. If they eventually can...FANTASTIC. If not, continue to dominate inside and let the other 3 players take the 3's.
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The poster was saying once they get their midrange down, they should try to extent their range out to the 3PT line. It's the logical move.

Expressing concern over the spacing with Gobert on the court is again, logical. Gobert can't make anything outside of a dunk, putting a player next to him that doesn't have some range results in a less effective offense. Again, simple logic.

And yes, there have been threads about trading players. It's a message board, this is what happens with crappy teams. Fans discuss trading players. And no, we don't need a stretch-4 to be great, but it would be easier to be great if Favors/Kanter can extend their range. Wanting them to just stay down low is a predominately stupid idea. Expand their game. Which Blake Griffin do you think the Clippers like more? The one that could only score off of dunks, or the one they have now? Maybe he just should have stayed down low, I mean, it worked for him.
 
Hantlers said:
The poster was saying once they get their midrange down, they should try to extent their range out to the 3PT line. It's the logical move.

Expressing concern over the spacing with Gobert on the court is again, logical. Gobert can't make anything outside of a dunk, putting a player next to him that doesn't have some range results in a less effective offense. Again, simple logic.

And yes, there have been threads about trading players. It's a message board, this is what happens with crappy teams. Fans discuss trading players. And no, we don't need a stretch-4 to be great, but it would be easier to be great if Favors/Kanter can extend their range. Wanting them to just stay down low is a predominately stupid idea. Expand their game. Which Blake Griffin do you think the Clippers like more? The one that could only score off of dunks, or the one they have now? Maybe he just should have stayed down low, I mean, it worked for him.
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Where did I ever say they should stay down low?
"IMO, Kanter and Favors need to be more consistent with their midrange games instead of trying to develop a 3PT shot. If they eventually can...FANTASTIC. If not, continue to dominate inside and let the other 3 players take the 3's."

Kanter and Favors need to make sure they're hitting their midrange ****s before they try to add a 3PT shot. Right now, I see a lot of inconsistency. What works better? Gobert with a nifty wrap around or bounce pass to a cutting Kanter or Favors, or having Enes/Derrick standing out at the 3PT line. And when a shot goes up from Hayward, Favors or Burks, I'd much rather have the two bigs be around the basket with a chance at getting an offensive rebound. That's our strength; the Jazz bigs can kill the opponents on the boards and get a ton of 2nd-chance points.

By all means, the better the bigs can shoot, the better they are. Maybe even Gobert can develop a reliable 10-15 shot...eventually. But there are better ways to play to their strengths than by asking them to float out to the 3. Was Malone ever a 3PT shooter? Yet we never had spacing concerns with him.
 
Please show me where I'm saying either one should be sitting out at the 3 PT line. You're creating arguments in your head, again.
 
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