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Favors got extended

berkkobe said:
the best choice for jazz is don't extend hayward. Because we gonna draft a sf probably. If enes kanter contines to play that good in offensive end and show his above average defense, he gets the max no doubt
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Wow! I think you vastly underestimate Hayward. There's a reason Hayward has been invited to the national team camp the last two times. GH is an incredible all-around talent. Any team in the league would be happy to have him - and someone is going to offer him a handsome contract. Granted, he's started off a couple of seasons poorly, but he's still shooting 40% on his 3's. And he's an underrated defender. He's improved every season thus far and there's no reason we shouldn't expect either his scoring average to go up from 14/per or for him to get more assists. Only negative, IMO, has been his rebounding. But he's played with strong rebounders every season so there simply hasn't been a need for him to go after boards.
 
Core4 said:
If he could score in the 18 pt range, he'd be a MAX player. Boozer and Memo were one-dimensional. They got paid for putting up gaudy scoring numbers and offering little resistance on the other end. Besides, Derrick isn't being paid anywhere near a Boozer, Jefferson, Malone (in today's dollars), etc. He's basically Larry Sanders right now (LS averaged just under 10/10/3 in 4 more mins/per vs. 10/7/2 for Favors).
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And favors isn't one dimensional???

He isn't even close to being as good at defense as boozer or memo were on offense.
 
Nice deal for both sides. Favors will live up to this. Gotta remember, he's 22. Larry Sanders was older as a rookie than Favors is now.
 
Not necessarily a steal, but definitely smart to lock him up before unleashing him this season.

Edit: Excuse the mixed metaphor.
 
The Thriller said:
Of course I exaggerated.

However, it's simply unbelievable how overrated favors has become on this board.

IMO, kanter has already shown much more promise than favors. And that's not really saying much.
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This.

Also, I'd take Hayward over Favors right now. Hands down.

Does this extension say anything about the faith the Jazz have in Burke? I think Favors' offense would go through the roof with a good P&R PG.
 
The Thriller said:
And favors isn't one dimensional???

He isn't even close to being as good at defense as boozer or memo were on offense.
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Yes, he kind of is. But that was my point. So were the others and they were paid equal or more. Although in Derrick's defense, his offensive numbers are respectable even if he does nothing more than clean up the garbage and gets put-backs or FT's. At $12M, Favors is not getting Boozer money. And part of the reason he's getting that much is that he can play the 5. In fact, I think next year the Jazz will go after a quality 4 so they can have Favors play half his minutes as the starting 4 and half as the backup 5. Then the rookie or FA they sign can get 30 mins at PF.

I'm actually hoping if the Jazz can't get Wiggins, they get Randle. That would be a truly amazing trio of bigs, with a little Gobert occasionally thrown in for comedic relief. Jazz could then get a wing with the GS pick. And add another either via trade or free agency (Rush would be a consideration). At PG, the Jazz would have Burke and Neto.
 
Good deal. Maybe a bit of a gamble, but $12 million a year is not a bad number at all for a big with his elite defensive skills.
 
I can live with it, but I was hoping for 10 mill/yr.

Ten million for being a athletic big man and re-bounder..................is completely worth it. One million for potential.........I can understand. One million for loyalty and wanting to stay in Utah, which is very important. Two hundred and 50,000 too much, but I can live with it. Hope he will get on board being a center, until and if he develops an outside game.
 
udflyer said:
4 years. 49 million
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I'm afraid of what were gonna pay Hayward now. 12-13per is a realistic.
 
For comparison's sake:

Carlos Boozer $15,300,000 $16,800,000
Al Jefferson $13,500,000 $13,500,000 $13,500,000
Brook Lopez $14,694,000 $15,719,000 $16,774,000
Tyson Chandler $14,100,538 $14,596,888
Joakim Noah $12,100,000 $13,150,000 $14,200,000
Andrew Bynum $12,250,000 $12,540,000
Roy Hibbert $14,283,844 $14,898,938 $15,514,031
Larry Sanders $3,053,368 $11,000,000 $11,000,000 $11,000,000 $11,000,000
Al Horford $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000
Dwight Howard $20,513,178 $21,436,271 $22,359,364 $23,282,457
Tiago Splitter $10,000,000 $9,250,000 $8,500,000 $8,250,000
JaVale McGee $10,750,000 $11,250,000 $12,000,000
Nikola Pekovic $12,100,000 $12,100,000 $12,100,000 $12,100,000 $11,600,000
LaMarcus Aldridge $14,100,000 $15,200,000
Serge Ibaka $12,250,000 $12,250,000 $12,250,000 $12,250,000
David Lee $13,878,000 $15,012,000 $15,493,680
DeAndre Jordan $10,986,550 $11,440,123
Carl Landry $6,750,000 $6,750,000 $6,750,000 $6,750,000
 
fishonjazz said:
Wrong
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Nah I'm usually right about numbers and I have those in the back of my mind. But I'm too lazy to search them again, since it'd be every blind homer's lifework to derail my statement. If necessary with profanities.

Zulu said:
So if in 23 minutes he averaged 9.4pts 7.1rbs 1.9blks

I'm pretty sure in 12 more minutes he'll be able get 5 more points 3 more rebounds and .5 more blocks!!!
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Playing 24 mpg you can play with a different intensity. There's a reason there's research that came up with optimal stint length of basketball players is around 6 min. Plus he will no longer play against opponents bench bigs. Now it's the starter that he met only half his minutes last season. If I was GM I'd want to see more of him before handing our $49M when I can match everything next summer. Right now the way I look at it it's $9M for performance and $3M for upside. That's a lot for upside when I factor in financial security through an early extension.

mhindy said:
Nice deal for both sides. Favors will live up to this. Gotta remember, he's 22. Larry Sanders was older as a rookie than Favors is now.
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He's got to. 22 is a good age still, but it means it'll become less likely that he makes his breakthrough with every minute. So if it's not happening this season and next season I won't expect it to happen at all. 5 seasons with a lot of minutes you can't make excuses any longer about things like BBIQ, shooting touch, free throws.
Sanders got his "physical prime" deal, that he can maybe score a 3 year extension upon if his performance is still strong with 28.

Hotttnickkk said:
Tradeable contract with RIDICULOUS upside.

Upside isn't ridiculous with 22. It's fine but nothing out of this world. If he doesn't live up to his potential his contract is straight up untradable if you want to obtain value in return. We'll find out.

For whoever said so: Taj played plenty of Center successfully when Noah was out. He wasn't as successful as Noah ofc since his body limits him in that regard, but he did good.

When I'm comparing contracts. Look at Al Horford for example. He's a similar PF/C like Favors. He's 27 in his prime getting $12M annually. He'd prolly get more if he had to score another contract right now and usually the comparison argument only works on a negotiation basis with other contracts signed the same offseason. But his avg is right there and for him to become Al Horford he's got to up his performance significantly. Serge Ibaka for example has the same contract and he's overpaid IMO. They banked on his offense development. It hasn't happened until now. Instead they could have used their small market budget to lock up Harden for less than max and gotten Ibaka for around $11M per via prolly since last year he didn't exactly motivate investors to grab in their pocket deeply. Banking on offense development is always kinda risky IMO. But that's just me. I prefer skills over the physical upside to pair skills with one day.
Also in a similar contract range is JaVale. I'm interested to compare them over the next season. Both very raw on offense, huge athletes and strong on protecting the paint. But both getting money (or in Favors case will be getting money)for either being VERY strong on defense or contributing more on offense.

Last night while watching the Bulls v Pacers I was like: Oh snap if the Bulls got themselves West over Boozer that'd be scary. But comparing West to Favors would be unfair since West did take a paycut for being contender at 33 and for being a risk to get old and bad.
DeAndre Jordan is a similar case like Favors even though Favors already shows more offense than he's ever done. But he's someone who hurts his team with his huge contract that he isn't living up to.

I hope Favors $49M/4yrs are an indicator that the Jazz might be willing to enter luxury tax territory down the road and another explanation I can envision is that Malone simply said: He'll be worth it. Give me another season with him. He's shown so much improvement over this season even though he might be not right there to utilize his new skills in NBA games efficiently yet.
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framer said:
For comparison's sake:

Carlos Boozer $15,300,000 $16,800,000
Al Jefferson $13,500,000 $13,500,000 $13,500,000
Brook Lopez $14,694,000 $15,719,000 $16,774,000
Tyson Chandler $14,100,538 $14,596,888
Joakim Noah $12,100,000 $13,150,000 $14,200,000
Andrew Bynum $12,250,000 $12,540,000
Roy Hibbert $14,283,844 $14,898,938 $15,514,031
Larry Sanders $3,053,368 $11,000,000 $11,000,000 $11,000,000 $11,000,000
Al Horford $12,000,000 $12,000,000 $12,000,000
Dwight Howard $20,513,178 $21,436,271 $22,359,364 $23,282,457
Tiago Splitter $10,000,000 $9,250,000 $8,500,000 $8,250,000
JaVale McGee $10,750,000 $11,250,000 $12,000,000
Nikola Pekovic $12,100,000 $12,100,000 $12,100,000 $12,100,000 $11,600,000
LaMarcus Aldridge $14,100,000 $15,200,000
Serge Ibaka $12,250,000 $12,250,000 $12,250,000 $12,250,000
David Lee $13,878,000 $15,012,000 $15,493,680
DeAndre Jordan $10,986,550 $11,440,123
Carl Landry $6,750,000 $6,750,000 $6,750,000 $6,750,000
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Those are GREAT VALUE.
 
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