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akirac73 said:
I'm basing my opinions on facts...you keep making excuses and disregard his statistics so you can make your outrageous claims that "Hayward has been impressive 75% of the time" or "Hayward is an elite shooter like Kyle Korver". Hayward is what he is...an inconsistent role player that will tease you from time to time with an amazing performance, nothing more, nothing less. Don't take this as an insult...not everyone in this league can be an elite/superstar level player.
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Ok, let's look at the facts then. Up until this season, Hayward has been a better 3pt shooter than korver on the same amount of years in the league. Yet somehow you don't see that. This season is still very young, and Hayward is not in an ideal role right now for him. If you put him in the Kyle korver spot up role, then he would absolutely be shooting as good as korver a fourth year in the league.

I never even once said that Hayward was a superstar, but you are casting him as a piece of **** who does not deserve the time of day. Let's say the jazz suddenly decide to trade Hayward, how many teams do you think would come calling? Probably every team in the league would be at least inquiring about getting him. He is a good player , not a superstar, so get over the Hayward hate.

It is utterly retarded to base his whole career off of the beginning of one season in which he has an increased role in the offense, and is already known as a player who finishes seasons strong after starting out inconsistently. Check back in after we have played 70 games, let's look at his season stats then
 
akirac73 said:
Why do people keep perpetuating this myth? Look at the Miami Heat. When Lebron James was added to the team, suddenly Wade and Bosh's numbers went down, it didn't go up...it's simple math, there are only so many points/assist/rebounds to be had in a game. You add an elite player to the Jazz he will take away points/reb/asts from a player like Hayward. Hayward may become more efficient (i.e. shoot the ball better, maybe turnovers go down) with a star player on the roster, but his numbers will definitely go down.
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Very interesting on how Wade and Bosh's numbers both went down huh? Whilst both their efficiencies went up along with the rest of the players around them.
Do you actually think a point guard like Luigi Chalmers would be as efficient as he is without Lebron on that team?

Add an elite player to this team and Hayward instantly gets less bad shot attempts, probably more assists, can spend less energy on offense and more on defense, and has another attention getter on the floor to shift attention from him and get him in his spots for good shots.
All in all MORE EFFICIENCY.
 
TheSilencer1313 said:
Very interesting on how Wade and Bosh's numbers both went down huh? Whilst both their efficiencies went up along with the rest of the players around them.
Do you actually think a point guard like Luigi Chalmers would be as efficient as he is without Lebron on that team?

Add an elite player to this team and Hayward instantly gets less bad shot attempts, probably more assists, can spend less energy on offense and more on defense, and has another attention getter on the floor to shift attention from him and get him in his spots for good shots.
All in all MORE EFFICIENCY.
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Reading comprehension can be your friend...read what I wrote again, I specifically say that Hayward's efficiency will likely improve.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Again let me reiterate you don't watch many games do you?
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I watch almost every game....what you want to say?

There is a saying in Italian that translated to English is "when the going gets tough, the tough get going". In my humble opinion Hayward is not a tough player, you are free to disagree.
 
akirac73 said:
Reading comprehension can be your friend...read what I wrote again, I specifically say that Hayward's efficiency will likely improve.
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As I see you had nothing else to say.....
I was also commenting on my old Cricket phone, while helping customers at work.
 
b_line said:
Ok, let's look at the facts then. Up until this season, Hayward has been a better 3pt shooter than korver on the same amount of years in the league. Yet somehow you don't see that. This season is still very young, and Hayward is not in an ideal role right now for him. If you put him in the Kyle korver spot up role, then he would absolutely be shooting as good as korver a fourth year in the league.
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Once again, nice try...but actually you are still wrong. If you want to talk about the first three NBA seasons by both players, Korver shot 41% and Hayward shot 40%. Very close, I'll admit, but looking at it deeper, Korver had a whoping 724 MORE three point attempts than Hayward during that same 3 year span (almost 3x more). You insist on using only using Hayward's first three seasons for comparison (seems awfully convenient for your argument to throw out stats from his worst shooting stretch of his career, but whatever, have it your way) so your excuse about Hayward not being in a spot up role like Korver can be thrown out the window since we all know Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap were the primary scoring focus of the Jazz in those 3 seasons, yes? One more thing, one thing that practically all of the truly elite 3 point shooters have in common is that they all shoot free throws extremely well, close to 90% (Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Mark Price, Jeff Hornacek, Steve Nash all fit that mold)...Korver is a career 88% FT shooter, Hayward 81%. I'm not saying Hayward is a horrible 3 point shooter by any means, but you putting him in the same class as one of the all-time great 3 point shooters in Korver shows how out of touch you are. That is all...
 
akirac73 said:
Once again, nice try...but actually you are still wrong. If you want to talk about the first three NBA seasons by both players, Korver shot 41% and Hayward shot 40%. Very close, I'll admit, but looking at it deeper, Korver had a whoping 724 MORE three point attempts than Hayward during that same 3 year span (almost 3x more). You insist on using only using Hayward's first three seasons for comparison (seems awfully convenient for your argument to throw out stats from his worst shooting stretch of his career, but whatever, have it your way) so your excuse about Hayward not being in a spot up role like Korver can be thrown out the window since we all know Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap were the primary scoring focus of the Jazz in those 3 seasons, yes? One more thing, one thing that practically all of the truly elite 3 point shooters have in common is that they all shoot free throws extremely well, close to 90% (Larry Bird, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Mark Price, Jeff Hornacek, Steve Nash all fit that mold)...Korver is a career 88% FT shooter, Hayward 81%. I'm not saying Hayward is a horrible 3 point shooter by any means, but you putting him in the same class as one of the all-time great 3 point shooters in Korver shows how out of touch you are. That is all...
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I strongly dislike you as a poster. You saying that Hayward sucks as a spot up shooter and as a three point shooter based on 25 games is ridiculous.
 
b_line said:
I strongly dislike you as a poster. You saying that Hayward sucks as a spot up shooter and as a three point shooter based on 25 games is ridiculous.
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As Roy Munson once said (sort of)...do you know what the bible says about strongly disliking someone because they don't agree with you?...it's against it.
 
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