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Looked at the math on good ole capulator... Assuming we bring Conley back and use the taxpayer MLE on a wing... Favs contract will cost us about 70M in tax the next two years in addition to his $20M salary... so essentially 90M.

I said before I wouldn't be in desperation mode on that deal but looking at it now... I'd be anxious as hell to get that deal off the books around the draft. I'd be willing to do a deal that looks pretty ****** on the surface to have the certainty the deal was off the ledger. I'm talking Favs + 30 to Charlotte for McDaniels + 57 ... Maybe the Favs to OKC with a 2024 lotto protected pick for Roby/Williams (hopefully both) and maybe a second this year.

DL truly hamstrung us with this one... either we sell low on Favs... let Mike walk... trade another more important piece for less salary... or pay through our damn *** for a backup center who can't handle every night backup duties because he needs to be managed. Good hell.
 
I agree he must be dealt. I do think it's funny that everyone hear was creaming themselves at the idea of bringing him back though.

Buyers remorse at its finest.
 
DasJazz said:
I agree he must be dealt. I do think it's funny that everyone hear was creaming themselves at the idea of bringing him back though.

Buyers remorse at its finest.
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I didn't mind the idea of bringing him back, I knew he would be a big upgrade over Tony Bradley. What I did hate was his contract. Close to $10 million a year for a backup center that only plays 15 minutes a game is ridiculous, and the worst part is 3 years with no team option on the third year. DL really screwed the pooch on that one.
 
Yeah, your recent rhetoric about this puzzled me. The Jazz are going to pay for this deal one way or another, some time or another, so they might as well take a smaller lump earlier than trying to makeup for tens of millions of dollars lost by cutting-costs for the next half decade or more.

To the "it's not my money lol" camp for the millionth time; billionaires don't become billionaires by being sloppy and stupid with the checkbook. Understanding how terrible Favors' salary is and knowing that the Jazz will try to cut costs elsewhere means understanding that those cost cutting measures will affect the product on the basketball floor.

What makes this all even worse is that they're already clocked as a tax-payer, and if they try to run it back sans-Favors this year, they will still be well into the tax and then the repeater tax will hit.

It cannot be said enough how breathtakingly terrible the moves were last year.
 
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Jingled said:
I didn't mind the idea of bringing him back, I knew he would be a big upgrade over Tony Bradley. What I did hate was his contract. Close to $10 million a year for a backup center that only plays 15 minutes a game is ridiculous, and the worst part is 3 years with no team option on the third year. DL really screwed the pooch on that one.
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And he wanted to play Favs and Rudy together... Super great job DL!

I don't think OKC needs any more picks this year but maybe they look to move up and consolidate a bunch of picks... and then want more picks to replace those picks. They have $50M in cap space and Favs could be a vet locker room guy. They also have a bunch of trade exceptions so could do a deal on draft night. I've also thought a three team deal with OKC and Sacramento where they send Bagley to OKC and take Favs... draft compensation gets spread around as needed.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Yeah, your recent rhetoric about this puzzled me. The Jazz are going to pay for this deal one way or another, some time or another, so they might as well take a smaller lump earlier than trying to makeup for tens of millions of dollars lost by cost-cutting moves for the next half decade or more.

To the "it's not my money lol" camp for the millionth time; billionaires don't become billionaires by being sloppy and stupid with the checkbook. Understanding how terrible Favors' salary is and knowing that the Jazz will try to cut costs elsewhere means understanding that those costing cutting measures will affect the product on the basketball floor.

What makes this all even worse is that they're already clocked as a tax-payer, and if they try to run it back sans-Favors this year, they will still be well into the tax and then the repeater tax will hit.

It cannot be said enough how breathtakingly terrible the moves were last year.
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He let DL get sloppy doe... imagine if we had just negotiated a little here to get Favs at $8M... we can avoid the tax last year... saves 4-5M this year and you avoid the repeater tax the third year. If he says no we pivot to a different option or play the guy you drafted in the first round.

I really think DL was thinking Mike wouldn't end up needing to be retained... if he did how could he possibly hand out this deal?
 
Its even better when you figure they gave the money to a guy that is popular in the locker room and if you move him it will almost certainly be an issue.
 
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Handlogten's Heros said:
He let DL get sloppy doe... imagine if we had just negotiated a little here to get Favs at $8M... we can avoid the tax last year... saves 4-5M this year and you avoid the repeater tax the third year. If he says no we pivot to a different option or play the guy you drafted in the first round.

I really think DL was thinking Mike wouldn't end up needing to be retained... if he did how could he possibly hand out this deal?
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Yeah, I think DL thought there was no way ownership would want to go into the tax to bring Conley back after extending Rudy and Don. His assumption was probably correct if the Millers still owned the Jazz.

Even though I want Mike back, I would also almost welcome the adversity of being forced to pivot from the current build if he leaves. It may be the tough medicine we need to start retooling into a team built around Don that can win a ‘ship in 3 years.
 
Had we followed the infection theorem and signed Udoh for $2M then we wouldn’t be in this predicament. Hell, we may have another contributor and maybe we’re still playing right now.
 
infection said:
Had we followed the infection theorem and signed Udoh for $2M then we wouldn’t be in this predicament. Hell, we may have another contributor and maybe we’re still playing right now.
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There are many theorems we could have followed and ended up a whole lot better off. Len and Dedmon for the minimum... Jamychal Green for his $7M for a few years.

Just really rough.
 
I preached DL was an idiot before and was persecuted now look. Hopefully Wade and Smith can fix his stupidity.
 
As a fan I can only really hope that we have the best team possible. If that means getting better contributors for Favors money, then I'll be happy. I will 100% completely understand moving Favors to save money, but I'm not going to be happy about it since it will make the team worse.
I can't pretend to care about Ryan Smith's money, and the basketball consequences are too ambiguous for me to want to move Favors for nothing.
 
I can understand why you wouldn't believe Ryan Smith wants to spent $90M for two years of Favors...but I have zero care about Ryan Smith's money if he wants to spend it. A large tax will might be worth having a good team for him. He's going to save so much more on real taxes with his purchase of the Jazz.

WIth that said, if some team is willing to take on Favors for our first round pick...I have a very hard time believing Ryan Smith will choose Favs over the first round pick.
 
This is the problem with the team. We fell in love with personalities over winning a title.
and the top record in the west only may the homers more blind.

Reality sunk in when we embarrassed ourselves in the playoffs.

Some people still think Royce is the answer, or some really good player. It's mind blowing. He's OKAY but hes a weakness and
very overrated by some. Ingles too. These guys should be end of the rotation guys not key pieces.
 
Revolution 9 said:
This is the problem with the team. We fell in love with personalities over winning a title.
and the top record in the west only may the homers more blind.

Reality sunk in when we embarrassed ourselves in the playoffs.

Some people still think Royce is the answer, or some really good player. It's mind blowing. He's OKAY but hes a weakness and
very overrated by some. Ingles too. These guys should be end of the rotation guys not key pieces.
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I got lit up by this board for suggestion that Royce was overrated. Funny how times have changed.
 
DasJazz said:
I got lit up by this board for suggestion that Royce was overrated. Funny how times have changed.
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Nothing has changed on the Royce front at all. He was good in the playoffs… he’s worth every penny of his deal. I’m not sure we can get more from him in a trade but if we wanted a mid first round pick I think a few teams would line up to take him off our hands.
 
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