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Favs Deal Must Be Moved

homeytennis said:
This will further make you cry. I came upon a mock draft that was done by someone in the league office. The good news is that they had Hughes as a late first round pick. The bad news is they had Dok a very late second round pick even after Sam Merrill who was Mr. Irrelevant.
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Sam Merrill has had a better rookie year than Doke too. He’s played and hit threes in limited minutes.

To me, it really doesn’t bode well for Doke’s future that he didn’t make the Nigerian national team despite being an NBA player.
 
Hekate said:
PJ Tucker, Bridges and Crowder, Morris, Bruce Brown aren't role players? Every team starts role players.
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Usually your starters are your best players, role players tend to start for match up reasons, don't worry your boy Niang started a few games under DL's watch but those days are over.
 
UtahJazz32 said:
Usually your starters are your best players, role players tend to start for match up reasons, don't worry your boy Niang started a few games under DL's watch but those days are over.
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I think like half the starters in the finals are role or complimentary players.
 
JimLes said:
why did we have to wait until Kanter became worthless to trade him?
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I’d argue with this one. We traded Kanter for a first round pick and an assortment of used condoms. Keep in mind that this is before the inflation in value of first round picks. How bad this trade was is obscured by the fact that Rudy needed to come in and it was addition by subtraction so we forgot about it. But one thing is for certain: that summer there were at least two franchises that were willing to max Kanter.
 
JimLes said:
No. A year after he left.

They were allowed to walk the same summer we traded those picks for Burke.

KOC's last transactions as the GM were trading Harris for Marvin Williams and signing Foye.
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We should have fired DL after his first year then. They screwed up on Millsap so so badly

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UtahJazz32 said:
Usually your starters are your best players, role players tend to start for match up reasons, don't worry your boy Niang started a few games under DL's watch but those days are over.
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Usually, 1 or 2 of your starters are there to maximize the production you get from your star players. Low usage players means that your stars get the ball more.

Like Joe Harris spaces the floor so Kyrie, Harden, Durant have the space. Bridges, Crowder are play finishers, they don't create much and space the floor. Every team has its role players.

Also you are really dumb enough to not realize all the posts I disliked had insults in them regardless of the player. I never once disliked your comments because you said a player sucked.
 
To offload his salary, it would take multiple draft picks, which we don't have cuz DL threw them away.
 
Hekate said:
Usually, 1 or 2 of your starters are there to maximize the production you get from your star players. Low usage players means that your stars get the ball more.

Like Joe Harris spaces the floor so Kyrie, Harden, Durant have the space. Bridges, Crowder are play finishers, they don't create much and space the floor. Every team has its role players.

Also you are really dumb enough to not realize all the posts I disliked had insults in them regardless of the player. I never once disliked your comments because you said a player sucked.
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No need to through insults my way, I just took a shot at your beloved player, he sucks and proved that in the playoffs. No need to use the name calling card.
 
UtahJazz32 said:
Usually starters aren't role players or complimentary pieces.
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Every team in the league has role players in their starting lineup lol. Just look at the two teams playing in the finals right now...Crowder and Bridges start for the Suns and the Bucks start PJ Tucker and Brooke Lopez. The Jazz finals teams had Russell and Ostertag in the starting lineup, hell even Hornacek would be considered a role player. Jordan's Bulls started players like Ron Harper and Luke Longlely, Bruce Bowen was huge in the starting lineup on Spurs championship teams, Derek Fish started on Lakers championship teams. Even super teams with 3 superstars fill out the rest of the starting 5 with role players. Look at some of the players Lebron won titles with... guys like Shane Batier, Mike Miller, Cladwell-Pope, J.R. Smith, Tristan Thompson, etc.

I could go on and on listing different players but the point is every single team throughout the history of the NBA has had role players and complimentary pieces in their starting lineup, even the championship teams.
 
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Teams aren't dumb. Why taking on Favors when they could've just signed Robin Lopez or Alex Len. Cheaper and healthier.
 
GVC said:
I hate told-you-so's, generally, but...

A handful of years ago, I was basically run off the board (by Fish and a few other dullards) for suggesting that the jury was still out on DL. At the time, I pointed out that DL had inherited a playoff team with 2 near-all stars (Millsap proved to be an all-star upon leaving) and four young lottery picks, but had yet to build a team any better than the one he inherited (or the ones KOC had built in the initial post-S2M era).

Well, there were 9 post-S2M KOC Jazz teams and now 9 post-KOC DL teams, and I think it's tough to make the case that DL has done better job in his 9 years than KOC did in his last 9, despite having a much more advantageous starting point:

Record
KOC: 390-332, .540 (44.3 wins over an 82-game season)
DL: 391-327, .545 (44.7 wins over an 82-game season)

Playoffs
KOC: 5 appearances, 4 series wins
DL: 5 appearances, 3 series wins

It's worth reiterating that the Jazz had a stockpile of young talent and a couple expiring near all-stars when DL came on, and the Jazz currently have very little in the way of assets and financial flexibility to improve the current team--although they do have two stars.

DL's not a terrible GM/Executive, mind you, just not a particularly creative or proactive one.
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Have to mention it wasn't until Quin who came in 2014 and made the Rudy/Hayward the face of our franchise and gave us a clear direction in rebuild. He gave us an “identity.”

When DL was working with Corbin from 2012-2014, the team was a utter mess. No direction. No identity. Give the ball to big AL. Give the ball to Trey Burke. Give the ball to Millsap. Your turn my turn basketball. Bench Carroll. Bench Rudy. Play Marvin Williams/Richard Jefferson over Favors/Alec Burks.

That's why I've always said, we gotta give Quin a chance to work with another GM before we can see what we truly have. Cuz we've seen DL working with a different coach before, and it was a total disaster.
 
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Jingled said:
Every team in the league has role players in their starting lineup lol. Just look at the two teams playing in the finals right now...Crowder and Bridges start for the Suns and the Bucks start PJ Tucker and Brooke Lopez. .The Jazz finals teams had Russell and Ostertag in the starting lineup, hell even Hornacek would be considered a role player. Jordan's Bulls started players like Ron Harper and Luke Longlely, Bruce Bowen was huge in the starting lineup on Spurs championship teams, Derek Fish started on Lakers championship teams. Even super teams with 3 superstars fill out the rest of the starting 5 with role players. Look at some of the players Lebron won titles with... guys like Shane Batier, Mike Miller, Cladwell-Pope, J.R. Smith, Tristan Thompson, etc.

I could go on and on listing different players but the point is every single team throughout the history of the NBA has had role players and complimentary pieces in their starting lineup, even the championship teams.
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Every starter in championship teams is a plus 20 ppg guy… unless matchups dictate otherwise.
 
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