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Federal judge strikes down Utah’s ban on same-sex marriage

Good and ironic. It's only a matter of time before this will be the standard across the nation. Furthermore, those that say the concept of marriage is being destroyed should be happy to know that the divorce rate has been declining since the 1970's.
 
trigg3r said:
Looks like the state was denied a stay for SSM.

https://www.ksl.com/?sid=28099780&nid=157&title=judge-shelby-denies-stay-on-same-sex-marriage-ruling&fm=home_page&s_cid=featured-1
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And they mad... so mad. "It's Chaos"... lol

Although, if I'm a county clerk, I'm a little concerned at the catch 22 I was just put in. News sites are reporting the following:

Some counties in Utah declined to issue licenses based on a section of state code that makes it a class A misdemeanor for county clerks to give one to anybody but a man and a woman, Salt Lake County deputy district attorney Darcy Goddard told Shelby during the hearing.
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And, in typical fashion, Obama is to blame:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/23/judge-denies-request-to-halt-same-sex-marriages-in-utah/

"It is patently wrong and unjust that the people of Utah should lose their right to define marriage because of the ruling of a single Obama appointee to the federal bench," [Brian]Brown[President of the National Organization for Marriage] said in a statement. "This decision provokes a constitutional crisis."
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Yeah guys. Constitutional Crisis because your neighbor gets the same rights as you. Oh... darn.
 
I wonder how many people in Utah this actually affects? Any estimates on number of gay couples in Utah? Or a percentage across the country we can apply to Utah?
 
https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_sla...r_lesbian_gallup_survey_says_3_4_percent.html

There's a lot of variation when it comes to estimates of how many Americans self-identify as gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender, but a survey out this week from Gallup thinks it has the best answer yet: 3.4 percent.
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Sounds to me like we won't really get any good numbers on the percentage of LGBT folks, as it still carries something of a stigma, so we see lower reporting in higher income groups and older age brackets. Is it really that fewer higher income people are gay, or just fewer are willing to admit it?

First, non-white Americans are more likely to identify as LGBT than white Americans are: 4.6 percent of African-Americans identify as LGBT, as do 4.0 percent of Hispanics and 4.3 percent of Asians. By comparison, 3.2 percent of white Americans identified as LGBT.
Second, there was a pretty big generational gap. 6.4 percent of Americans aged 18 to 29 identified themselves as LGBT, and the percentage sharply declined from there. Self-identified LGBT Americans include 3.2 percent of Americans aged 30-49, 2.6 percent of those between 50 and 64, and just 1.9 percent of those over 65.
Third, LGBT identification was highest among those with lower levels of income and education, with percentages slightly higher among those with a high school diploma or some college but no degree than among those with a college or postgraduate degree. And just over 5 percent of Americans who make less than $24,000 a year are LGBT, with numbers a couple ticks lower for higher income groups.
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Anyone else find it ironic that Mormon Utahns are suddenly the biggest champions of "states rights" now?

I've seen so many posts recently either from state officials or blowhards on Facebook talking about "majority rule" in the state.

You'd think of all people who would know the most about the evils of "majority rule" and being discriminated against it would be the Mormons. Had the 14th Amendment existed back then, perhaps that whole Mormon Extermination Order in Missouri would have never even happened?
 
LogGrad98 said:
https://www.slate.com/blogs/the_sla...r_lesbian_gallup_survey_says_3_4_percent.html



Sounds to me like we won't really get any good numbers on the percentage of LGBT folks, as it still carries something of a stigma, so we see lower reporting in higher income groups and older age brackets. Is it really that fewer higher income people are gay, or just fewer are willing to admit it?
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A couple things could easily explain the seemingly skewed numbers you gave us.

1a. Genetics, though unknown atm, could very likely explain the white vs. non-white variation - i.e. if it's a gestational issue with hormones creating LGBT individuals.

1b. Whites skew the higher income demographic while blacks and Hispanics skew the lower. Asians are the contrasting demographic that gives the income skew some credibility.

2. The lifestyle tends to be higher risk, so you wouldn't expect as high a % in the older demographics.
 
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