Fesenko close to deal with Ukrainian team

[vj_74]

Some players have the self-motivation that lunchpail Jazzfanz crave; others don't come ready made. Of COURSE this conversation would be moot if Fesenko had had better self-discipline, but his was contributing enough on the court to not be relegated to fewer minutes in four years than Greg Ostertag (another notoriously poorly self-motivated player) in one or two. And that's what differentiates Gregg Poppovich from Jerry Sloan (and likely his successor); a case can be made that Rick Carlisle and maybe Tom Thibodeau was able to motivate and unify a team in a way that Ol' Jer never did. .

And who are the Ostertags and Fesenkos that Thibodeau turned into great players with his coaching "insight"? Or for that matter Popovich?

If anything, Sloan has turned more second round picks into decent-looking role players in the Jazz system
When they leave the Jazz and go play in another system, they look like crap.

But yet Sloan is the idiot because Fesenko turned out to be the Gomar Pyle of the Jazz rather than the Hakeem Olajuwon you envisoned him to be. You should be a sitcom writer in your next life.

 

[vj_74]

Yes, the list of players who were released from the binding chains of The Jazz coaching staff and went on to have great careers is quite extensive.

Except that list isnt available at 82games.com. So give Ingamestrategy a break

 

[gomretat]

The coaching staff spends hundreds of hours a year developing players and Fes was no exception.

 

[InGameStrategy]

That could be said for most players. Most players who develop and shine put in their own work a lot during offseason. So extending your (il)logic NO coach should ever be credited for a player's development.

That's why my moniker isn't "InPlayerDevelopment"; the leadership within games (and before games) is usually more correlated to success. And unfortunately for you, there are too many examples--Rick Carlisle being the latest--of coaches shifting the attitude of the Mavs (thanks in part to Avery Johnson before him) to actually caring about defense, something that Sloan was not successful in doing, mainly because he didn't enforce it and just let players have a free pass.

Rest of your post is the same nonsense you have been vomiting here since forever. That is, if a coach doesnt run the top 2 or 3 lineups that YOU want him to run based on the great flawless 82games.com database, then that coach is an idiot, who hasnt developed any player and deserves to be fired. Anything else new?

As I have said in finitum, I don't need 82games for my argument; it's merely one convenient, ready-made framework (and still not perfect, as if any system were).

I don't really have to justify my system over the garbage that Corbin and the Sloan (especially over the last few years) put forth. Their lack of leadership and ineptness (and the repeated times that they let games implode on their own, in no small part by being ignorant to matchups and individual performances on a given night) speak for themselves.

 

[InGameStrategy]

And who are the Ostertags and Fesenkos that Thibodeau turned into great players with his coaching "insight"? Or for that matter Popovich?

Given that he's spent one year as coach, and turned them into a top seed in that single year, his performance is immune from your pathetic attempt at justifying yourself.

If anything, Sloan has turned more second round picks into decent-looking role players in the Jazz system. When they leave the Jazz and go play in another system, they look like crap.

You mean Paul Millsap? You're now contradicting yourself. In your previous post, you pointed out that coaches don't have much impact on player development. Which is it, then?

But yet Sloan is the idiot because Fesenko turned out to be the Gomar Pyle of the Jazz rather than the Hakeem Olajuwon you envisoned him to be. You should be a sitcom writer in your next life.

You're catching on, because even in his state of underachieving potential--without any coaching involvement in his progress--Fes was poorly utilized. And that has little to do with development and everything to do with the difference between coaching with intelligence and coaching with something other than what is pegged against the seat of a tractor.

 

[InGameStrategy]

The coaching staff spends hundreds of hours a year developing players and Fes was no exception.

Care to cite some specifics on that, gomertat?

My understanding that he did receive some attention, and there were signs of improvement, but then Fes's PT was reduced to even further crumbs, stunting any further progress, despite the dire need for a legit [backup] center (and the need for some semblance of interior D).

My #1 criticism regarding this situation has always been that the coaches didn't give him enough court experience to refine his skills, even when the players that were on the court were sucking wind. Court experience is essential--for elite players and role players alike--to develop. Sloan did the same thing to Kirilenko post-2004--not that AK required experience, but that he had proven to be more valuable then how he was used. On the flip side, Sloan's obsession with lunchpail players ("character guys") caused him to vastly overuse Derek Fisher at the 2, even when he was getting pwned (and an alternative was available). He overused Collins at times when Tree was completely inept (and an alternative was available). Consider the overuse of Bell last season. I could go on.

In other words, this poor use of players is far from exclusive to Fesenko, and stems largely from a poor strategy and policy in predicting and maintaing performance. Sloan preferred much more to growl a bit before (and during) games and then blame the players (most of the time) if things didn't go their way.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Holy ****.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

I maintaing my performance all the time.

 

[sepanol]

The farther Fes is from eyes, the more happy i will be