What's new
By:

FG/3P% contract incentives for Hayward?

Twin Towers said:
In reality it does go down. Its the same either way.

He knows from the start what he gets guaranteed. And what he can possibly get.

He also has been very inconsistent his whole career going back to Butler. It literally is like an every other year with his shot.

3 point shot
08-09 - 44% (Butler)
09-10 - 29% (Butler)
10-11- 47%
11-12 - 34.6%
12-13 - 41%
13-14 - 30%

He has the ability. His release is fine. Its mental with maybe his balance or something. But it has become ridiculous. Wide open 3 point shots has nothing to do with how he was used.
Click to expand...

Yes it does.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Yes it does.
Click to expand...

So because he has missed wide open 3 point shots every other year in his career for the last 6 years even BEFORE Corbin........

Explain how we used him incorrectly and how that made him miss those wide open jumpers....

I agree we used him incorrectly but that isn't an excuse for missing wide open jump shots. Catch and shoot shots.
 
Twin Towers said:
So because he has missed wide open 3 point shots every other year in his career for the last 6 years even BEFORE Corbin........

Explain how we used him incorrectly and how that made him miss those wide open jumpers....

I agree we used him incorrectly but that isn't an excuse for missing wide open jump shots. Catch and shoot shots.
Click to expand...
Last year was the first year he had an off shooting year in the nba. 34% isn't great but it's not bad either.
 
I was watching the Denver game from last year last night on league pass - we lost by about 10 - we actually played pretty well for large portions of the match - trey played well, and kanter and favors had there moments to - but jeez Hayward was chucking a lot - it was just bad jump shot after bad jump shot - and he actually started the game very well.

I like Hayward and, as we are Utah - we cant "rely" on replacing people with free agents unfortunately, and accordingly we may have to pay him overs for now - but although we would all like him to be god, or a number 1 player, he just aint that - I think we all do agree he should be a 3rd best player on a team - who can compliment better players - so the question is, how much can we afford to pay him without stopping us keeping the better players? I think it would be disappointing if we had to pay the max - it would be nicer if we could do 4 x 12 - but u get the feeling it is going to be the former.

I suppose this is why the pay DL the big bucks.
 
With a rebuild like this you don't want to have any "incentive" like this that will take a player out of what the coach is trying to have him do. Anything that would potentially get in the way of the work Snyder has to do with this group is a bad idea, period.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
Last year was the first year he had an off shooting year in the nba. 34% isn't great but it's not bad either.
Click to expand...

Never answered the question. but you don't obviously have an answer.

No 34% is not good. And his shooting percentages over all have decreased every year he has been in the league.

Shooting 43 percent from the field is not good the year before.

We used him as the 3rd or 4th option the year before. And the first option.

Even the year he shot great from the 3 he only shot 43 from the field.

He is not efficient. That is the point.
 
Twin Towers said:
Never answered the question. but you don't obviously have an answer.

No 34% is not good. And his shooting percentages over all have decreased every year he has been in the league.

Shooting 43 percent from the field is not good the year before.

We used him as the 3rd or 4th option the year before. And the first option.

Even the year he shot great from the 3 he only shot 43 from the field.

He is not efficient. That is the point.
Click to expand...

What question? And I never said 34% was good.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Thee jazz fan said:
What question? And I never said 34% was good.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Click to expand...

I said How does using Gordon incorrectly effect how well he shoots wide open jump shots??
You said.
Yes it does.
How????

I blame Corbin for so much over the years. but wide open jump shots has nothing to do with the coach or the system. There is not strategy to a wide open jump shot. Hayward is mentally weak. That is his problem.
 
As he isn't a #1 option he was constantly having to be in a hurry to put up shots having teams pay him more attention to stop him. He wore down fell into bad habbits and lost confidence. It's not rocket science. You seem to be looking for reasons why he isn't good instead of having an open mind.

Do you honestly expect him to shoot at an elite level every year. I've got news for you... He isn't an elite shooter. His first few years all he did was shoot wide open shots. Last year we saw him shooting shots way out of his comfort zone because he was forced to as the primary go to guy. Seriously, he's not even in his prime years yet.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Twin Towers said:
In reality it does go down. Its the same either way.

He knows from the start what he gets guaranteed. And what he can possibly get.

He also has been very inconsistent his whole career going back to Butler. It literally is like an every other year with his shot.

3 point shot
08-09 - 44% (Butler)
09-10 - 29% (Butler)
10-11- 47%
11-12 - 34.6%
12-13 - 41%
13-14 - 30%

He has the ability. His release is fine. Its mental with maybe his balance or something. But it has become ridiculous. Wide open 3 point shots has nothing to do with how he was used.
Click to expand...
Someone pointed out (It may have been one of the coaches or David Locke) that Hayward's mechanics are all over the place. He doesn't have a consistent stroke which is why his shooting was so horrible. He should join Trey Burke and just sit and watch Ray Allen shoot a hundred shots and learn what it takes to be a shooter. Oh yeah, and practicing in the offseason probably wouldn't hurt either.
 
Not a good idea.

You don't want your player concerned with his statistics. This would give the wrong incentive. This is like a baseball player not wanting to drive in a run and get an RBI if he would be out, because it would lower his batting average.
 
mdalby said:
Not a good idea.

You don't want your player concerned with his statistics. This would give the wrong incentive. This is like a baseball player not wanting to drive in a run and get an RBI if he would be out, because it would lower his batting average.
Click to expand...

Interesting point. It reminds me of the garbage Korver was pulling...
 
Things like this happen in football all the time. I'd do it.
 
I don't think you want to put incentives that will incentives players to hesitate to take shots. Bad idea. He just needs to shoot with confidence. not with thinking about %.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I don't think you want to put incentives that will incentives players to hesitate to take shots. Bad idea. He just needs to shoot with confidence. not with thinking about %.
Click to expand...

This. I would only put team incentives in... like if we win a playoff series or win 50 games. Money will change the way people play... you just want them to go out and play.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
This. I would only put team incentives in... like if we win a playoff series or win 50 games. Money will change the way people play... you just want them to go out and play.
Click to expand...

Well, it should be obvious that you would have to be very careful with the way you write in the incentives.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Share this page
Back
Top