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I am going to go out on a limb here but I was not very impressed with Josh Howard. He plays physical and he has some athleticism but he made some terrible decisions that cost us some points. I remember one play that he was on a fast break with Miles and there was only one Laker defender and instead of passing the ball to miles at the rim he took it in himself and missed the layup and the Laker defender got the rebound. we don't need players like that.

The biggest problem that I have with Howard was that be played the same amount of minutes as any of our wings. That is not his fault but it is a problem. Here is the playing time breakdown for the wings:

Bell 25 minutes
Hayward 24 minutes
Howard 24 minutes
Miles 18 minutes
Burks 6 minutes

Looking at that I have a problem with a lot of things.
 
Here is the breakdown for the minutes used by the bigmen:

Millsap 27 minutes
Jefferson 25 minutes
Kanter 21 minutes
Favors 19 minutes
Evans 5 minutes

I like the minutes for Millsap and Kanter. I was shocked that Jefferson played so little and I hate that Favors was under 20 minutes. That is a big problem.
 
Here's my fear on Corbin:

When Corbin was an AC under Sloan, Corbin was probably the guy on the coaching staff that the players would vent to when Jerry and Phil where being crusty old white guys and riding them too hard. Corbin would listen to them gripe, pat them on the butt and tell them to hang in there. Corbin liked his players and the players liked Corbin. When Jerry and Phil left, the guys who we're already here told the new guys "Ty's a cool guy".

Now Corbin is "the man" - he has to be the hard ***, he has to be the disciplianarian when players don't play hard and the guy who makes the tough decisions like who starts, who doesn't and who gets the minutes. This is not in his nature or his skill set and deep, deep down, the players don't really respect Corbin in relation to the position that he is in. Therefore the players don't respond - they don't play hard for him and eventually the players don't believe in him and the result is performances like last night.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm probably right.
 
candrew said:
Here's my fear on Corbin:

When Corbin was an AC under Sloan, Corbin was probably the guy on the coaching staff that the players would vent to when Jerry and Phil where being crusty old white guys and riding them too hard. Corbin would listen to them gripe, pat them on the butt and tell them to hang in there. Corbin liked his players and the players liked Corbin. When Jerry and Phil left, the guys who we're already here told the new guys "Ty's a cool guy".

Now Corbin is "the man" - he has to be the hard ***, he has to be the disciplianarian when players don't play hard and the guy who makes the tough decisions like who starts, who doesn't and who gets the minutes. This is not in his nature or his skill set and deep, deep down, the players don't really respect Corbin in relation to the position that he is in. Therefore the players don't respond - they don't play hard for him and eventually the players don't believe in him and the result is performances like last night.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm probably right.
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You're the most underrated poster on this board. That said, while it all rings true to me, the problem is that last night, I did not necessarily see a lack of effort by the players.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
You're the most underrated poster on this board. That said, while it all rings true to me, the problem is that last night, I did not necessarily see a lack of effort by the players.
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Hmm, Wes. I saw a fair amount of standing around, "jackpotting around"--Howard once or twice, even Mansap, and definitely Jefferson. And whether there was effort or not, among the top responsibilities of a coach is to identify players and combinations that work. There were combinations that worked (or sucked the least), and he used them very little.

Lineup (with alternates) that likely would be most effective (based on the first quarter or two):
Watson-Hayward (maybe Burks)-Millsap (maybe Evans)-Favors-Kanter
Tinsley, anyone? Did Harris really deserve to play over Tinsley?

Players that were only fair to middling:
Jefferson (not aggressive enough on O; ineffective on D), Howard, Harris (perhaps a generous rating)

Least effective vs. the Lakers:
Bell or Miles

This isn't rocket science.

It's coaching.
 
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700210617/Corbin-plans-to-stretch-playing-rotation-to-12-13.html

Before Tuesday night's season-opener, Corbin dismissed the traditional use of an eight-to-10-man rotation.

"We've got a 12-13 man rotation right now," Corbin said. "We want everybody to start ready. We can dress 13 and we want 13 to be ready to go."
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Hopefully this changes quickly. If we end up playing Bell just as much as Favors and Burks, then he will have missed the entire point of this season.
 
ShaggyReAL said:
I don't know if the Jazz should fire Corbin yet but I haven't seen a single thing that suggests he knows what he's doing.
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This.

I am all for giving him a shot but last night it just looked way too much like he had no ****ing clue. Wow was that piss-poor game management. Not that we had much of a chance anyway considering no one was playing well, but lots of that can be attributed to first-game jitters, particularly among the young guys. But Ty was doing **** that just made no sense. Go smaller when Gasol comes back in the game. Huh? Leaving Bell and CJ in for longer than 3 total minutes. I sure hope his learning curve is not very long, or this could be a very long shortened season.
 
LogGrad98 said:
This.

I am all for giving him a shot but last night it just looked way too much like he had no ****ing clue. Wow was that piss-poor game management. Not that we had much of a chance anyway considering no one was playing well, but lots of that can be attributed to first-game jitters, particularly among the young guys. But Ty was doing **** that just made no sense. Go smaller when Gasol comes back in the game. Huh? Leaving Bell and CJ in for longer than 3 total minutes. I sure hope his learning curve is not very long, or this could be a very long shortened season.
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Now you're startin to come around. I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.
 
Did anyone hear the bit by Reggie where he'd been talking to Harris about why he'd been struggling lately? Said he'd lost his passion for the game, and it shows.

Dude needs to be sat.
 
JohnnyClutch said:
Did anyone hear the bit by Reggie where he'd been talking to Harris about why he'd been struggling lately? Said he'd lost his passion for the game, and it shows.

Dude needs to be sat.
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If that is indeed the case then I do not want him on the Jazz. If you are not grateful every single day for the jackpot you hit then you need to go. No room on the Jazz for lazyness/lack of passion.
 
chitownjazz said:
Now you're startin to come around. I hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.
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The difference is I am still willing to give him a shot. Who knows but that there might have been a method to his madness. Granted the madness was pretty insane, but still, it was one game. He may have been feeling out Howard to see what he had left in the tank, which would explain his extra PT, and he spread minutes around ok among the rest, albeit haphazardly. He possibly was using the blown game to see them in a kind of preseason or even training camp mode so he can make some informed decisions down the road.

Now, if he strings together 10 games like this, well then it's time to Occupy Radium Stadium for sure.
 
JohnnyClutch said:
Did anyone hear the bit by Reggie where he'd been talking to Harris about why he'd been struggling lately? Said he'd lost his passion for the game, and it shows.

Dude needs to be sat.
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He was talking about the year he was on The Nets and they won 12 games all year and he was battling injuries - he wasn't talking about his present state of mind.

Having said that, it is a little disheartening to hear him admit this. If you're an NBA player and you're in a lousy situation, the only sensible reaction is to play to the best of your abilities because it is the best and perhaps only way to get out of that situation.
 
candrew said:
He was talking about the year he was on The Nets and they won 12 games all year and he was battling injuries - he wasn't talking about his present state of mind.

Having said that, it is a little disheartening to hear him admit this. If you're an NBA player and you're in a lousy situation, the only sensible reaction is to play to the best of your abilities because it is the best and perhaps only way to get out of that situation.
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But what has changed about that situation to this one?
 
The Thriller said:
https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700210617/Corbin-plans-to-stretch-playing-rotation-to-12-13.html



Hopefully this changes quickly. If we end up playing Bell just as much as Favors and Burks, then he will have missed the entire point of this season.
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I hear you, but be careful what you wish for. If Corbin decided to tighten the rotation down to 8 or 9 men, do you think that Burks would make the cut over Bell? Really?

As much as I hate the lack of continuity that a 12-man rotation provides, I have to be realistic and understand that this is the best-case scenario in terms of seeing the young'uns get decent playing time. If this was a Sloan-coached team, Burks and Evans would have been in for the last 45 seconds of the game, and Favors and Hayward would have been on the court for 10 to 12 minutes each.
 
candrew said:
Here's my fear on Corbin:

When Corbin was an AC under Sloan, Corbin was probably the guy on the coaching staff that the players would vent to when Jerry and Phil where being crusty old white guys and riding them too hard. Corbin would listen to them gripe, pat them on the butt and tell them to hang in there. Corbin liked his players and the players liked Corbin. When Jerry and Phil left, the guys who we're already here told the new guys "Ty's a cool guy".

Now Corbin is "the man" - he has to be the hard ***, he has to be the disciplianarian when players don't play hard and the guy who makes the tough decisions like who starts, who doesn't and who gets the minutes. This is not in his nature or his skill set and deep, deep down, the players don't really respect Corbin in relation to the position that he is in. Therefore the players don't respond - they don't play hard for him and eventually the players don't believe in him and the result is performances like last night.

I hope I'm wrong but I'm probably right.
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Best post on this subject. Maybe he can be tough enough eventually, but I kind of doubt it.

Ditto on Hornacek, btw. Way too nice a guy.
 
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