Flat Tax and Tithing

[One Brow]

WHAT?!?!?!?!?

Come on now, you are better than this. Name me 5 conservatives that voted for this healthcare plan.

Mitt Romney sign a basically similar one into law. A plan similar was Gingrich's alternative to the Clinton plan. That partisanship dominated Washington is no reason to think a plan that relies most on private industry to provide health care is not a basically conservative plan.

This is a completely INVALID excuse, because democrats could have passed whatever they wanted to pass.

Politically, they felt safer passing a conservative plan.

This is 100% on them (did one Republican vote yes?). If Obamacare doesn't/isn't working, it is the LEFT'S fault. No one else's.

When did America get a political left, except in relative terms?

 

[One Brow]

For all you numb nuts that didn't get my light-hearted jab...
... was a joke. Sort of.

A joke with a point attached, right?

 

[Dr. Jones]

A joke with a point attached, right?

Yes. The point is of course there are going to be some inequalities of opportunities .. unless everyone all gets the same amount of cash/income.. and even then.

 

[Stoked]

Mitt Romney sign a basically similar one into law. A plan similar was Gingrich's alternative to the Clinton plan. That partisanship dominated Washington is no reason to think a plan that relies most on private industry to provide health care is not a basically conservative plan.



Politically, they felt safer passing a conservative plan.



When did America get a political left, except in relative terms?

lol

 

[green]

Mitt Romney sign a basically similar one into law. A plan similar was Gingrich's alternative to the Clinton plan. That partisanship dominated Washington is no reason to think a plan that relies most on private industry to provide health care is not a basically conservative plan.



Politically, they felt safer passing a conservative plan.



When did America get a political left, except in relative terms?

Again, all weak excuses. Democrats could have passed whatever bill they wanted. To have it not work out as they sold it, is all on them. They should have done a better job. You can't pawn The Affordable Healthcare Act on anyone but Democrats. Good or bad, it literally is 100% on them.

 

[One Brow]

Again, all weak excuses. Democrats could have passed whatever bill they wanted.

Were you even watching politics at the time?

At any time, every politician thinking about re-election has to vote in a way they think they can sell to their constituency.

To have it not work out as they sold it, is all on them. They should have done a better job. You can't pawn The Affordable Healthcare Act on anyone but Democrats. Good or bad, it literally is 100% on them.

I agree it's on the Democrats. In what way does that change the ACA being a conservative health care plan?

 

[One Brow]

lol

Seriously. We have a pro-business, pro-Wall Street, pro-security-state, anti-civil-rights party funded primarily by corporate interests, and the other party are the Republicans.

 

[One Brow]

Yes. The point is of course there are going to be some inequalities of opportunities .. unless everyone all gets the same amount of cash/income.. and even then.

I agree things will never be completely equal. You agree that smart investing in poor children will reap benefits for our country. So, our disagreements seem to be narrow.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I agree things will never be completely equal. You agree that smart investing in poor children will reap benefits for our country. So, our disagreements seem to be narrow.

Yes. I want to invest in better education, better opportunities for children to be the best they can be...
..and.. I would like to end the spending foolishness (as outlined in prior posts).

I'll be clear, I am not interested in lowering my taxes, I am all for having those dollars redirected into more education and areas that make the PEOPLE of this nation stronger.

Thanks for the discussion.

 

[franklin]

For all you numb nuts that didn't get my light-hearted jab...

I wasn't saying that people are literally championing an equal end result for all...... I was responding to one brow and other's responses about inequality.. and One Brow saying one kid gets protein and yogurt while another gets bread.. I asked where does that end? If you recall, I asked about interviewing.. who has the better suit, been better groomed, drives a nicer car, attended a 'better' college... it was a jab that if everything is truly equal, it necessitates an equal end... was a joke. Sort of.

Even though I quoted you, I was speaking to what I hear on a daily basis around the office, whenever I make the mistake of flipping to an a.m. radio channel on the drive home, captive audience in the restaurant, bank, gas station, out in the field, EVERYWHERE.

I got your point on where to end though. Thought everyone else did.

 

[franklin]

Seriously. We have a pro-business, pro-Wall Street, pro-security-state, anti-civil-rights party funded primarily by corporate interests, and the other party are the Republicans.

Actually, I've read some pretty healthy discussion about re-regulating Wall Street and what to do with the money market funds, but you'd never guess as much hearing the politicians talking on cnbc or whatever. They play pretty decent characters inside the chambers, and mutate into the ******** their constituents want them to be when standing in front of the camera. Our own senator Orrin Hatch waltzed right out after the banking collapse declaring we need to deregulate the banks to get the econ going again. No way he's really that stupid, but Utahans were at the time.

 

[leftyjace]

This is a fun thread. Just sayin'.

 

[franklin]

Well, sometimes it's just not enough to bomb the heck out of Europeans; you gotta find some brown people to beat up as well.

Are you stereotyping all white people as southern rednecks who want to blow up brown people?

and incensitive

 

[Stoked]

https://www.abc4.com/content/news/s...ons-targeting-LDS/ZjM8YzLG2UOVGYmJeUzuZw.cspx

The feds may be going after LDS canneries.

 

[babe]

Actually, I've read some pretty healthy discussion about re-regulating Wall Street and what to do with the money market funds, but you'd never guess as much hearing the politicians talking on cnbc or whatever. They play pretty decent characters inside the chambers, and mutate into the ******** their constituents want them to be when standing in front of the camera. Our own senator Orrin Hatch waltzed right out after the banking collapse declaring we need to deregulate the banks to get the econ going again. No way he's really that stupid, but Utahans were at the time.

Orrin Hatch saw what happened to his bud in the caucuses and went all out on damage control. With Romney's organization and the old guard Republican (RINO) establishment all on board for claiming all the tea party language locally, they have just gone on in truth being the fat RINOs they ever were. The UEA is the real owner of both parties in Utah.