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This was too funny not to post:

RT @HowardBeckNYT: Judging by quotes I've seen on Twitter, every NBA player is adamantly anti-flop and loves the new rule. OK then.
 
This will my last post in this thread unless I stumble across something Jazz-related. From @LakersReporter: Howard joked to us that Nash should get fined for a flop in practice; Nash then won the argument by saying there's "no video evidence."
 
I have to admit I sort of see flopping as a response to the star treatment a few select players receive from the refs. I think other players keep getting fouls called on them when they touch a star a certain way but then there's no call on the other end when the star touched them in the same way. After 100 times when that happens the non-star player overreacts and says to the ref basically "I'm going to make this so ****ing obvious you'll have to call it." So I wonder, if they do away with flopping will the little guys just never get a call? And if they get fed up and over-dramatize some contact I suppose it's them, the non-star player, who will be out some of their paycheck?
 
They have a point. If tomorrow your boss told you he'd fine you $100 on any day he found you pretending to work harder than you were really working you might call BS on him.
 
There you have it. Billy Hunter's just asking for the NBA to say "screw the fines, we'll start throwing out technical fouls".
 
nightmare3983 said:
There you have it. Billy Hunter's just asking for the NBA to say "screw the fines, we'll start throwing out technical fouls".
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Billy says: "We believe that any monetary penalty for an act of this type is inappropriate and without precedent in our sport or any other sport."

Umm, no, Billy. You can be fined in soccer for "simulation". From the Wikipedia article on "Diving(football)":

"Referees and FIFA are now trying to prevent diving with more frequent punishments as part of their ongoing target to stop all kinds of simulation in [soccer]. The game's rules now state that "Any simulating action anywhere on the field, which is intended to deceive the referee, must be sanctioned as unsporting behaviour" which is misconduct punishable by a yellow card [note that accumulated yellow cards by lead to suspension]. The rule changes are in response to an increasing trend of diving and simulation.

"MLS in the United States, for the 2011 season, began implementing fines and suspensions for simulation in [soccer] through its Disciplinary Committee, which has the right to review plays after the match. On June 24, 2011, MLS penalized D.C. United forward Charlie Davies with a US$1,000 fine as the Disciplinary Committee ruled he "intentionally deceived the officials and gained an unfair advantage which directly impacted the match" in a simulation that occurred in the 83rd minute of the match against Real Salt Lake on June 18, 2011.

"On July 29, 2011, the Disciplinary Committee suspended Real Salt Lake forward Álvaro Saborío one game and fined him US$1,000 for a simulation in a game against the San Jose Earthquakes on July 23, 2011. Officials noted the simulation resulted in Earthquakes defender Bobby Burling being sent off on the simulation, and the warning from MLS that fines and suspensions will increase for simulation being detected by the Disciplinary Committee."
 
Mantis said:
Billy says: "We believe that any monetary penalty for an act of this type is inappropriate and without precedent in our sport or any other sport."

Umm, no, Billy. You can be fined in soccer for "simulation". From the Wikipedia article on "Diving(football)":

"Referees and FIFA are now trying to prevent diving with more frequent punishments as part of their ongoing target to stop all kinds of simulation in [soccer]. The game's rules now state that "Any simulating action anywhere on the field, which is intended to deceive the referee, must be sanctioned as unsporting behaviour" which is misconduct punishable by a yellow card [note that accumulated yellow cards by lead to suspension]. The rule changes are in response to an increasing trend of diving and simulation.

"MLS in the United States, for the 2011 season, began implementing fines and suspensions for simulation in [soccer] through its Disciplinary Committee, which has the right to review plays after the match. On June 24, 2011, MLS penalized D.C. United forward Charlie Davies with a US$1,000 fine as the Disciplinary Committee ruled he "intentionally deceived the officials and gained an unfair advantage which directly impacted the match" in a simulation that occurred in the 83rd minute of the match against Real Salt Lake on June 18, 2011.

"On July 29, 2011, the Disciplinary Committee suspended Real Salt Lake forward Álvaro Saborío one game and fined him US$1,000 for a simulation in a game against the San Jose Earthquakes on July 23, 2011. Officials noted the simulation resulted in Earthquakes defender Bobby Burling being sent off on the simulation, and the warning from MLS that fines and suspensions will increase for simulation being detected by the Disciplinary Committee."
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He's absolutely wrong on the statement you quoted, but I think the union has a great case on what they're actually basing their lawsuit on.
 
These fines are a slap on the wrist. Of course, when the slap happens, the player will jerk his head back and fly across the floor.
 
Billy would change his mind if the fines went to the union and could be funneled to the many relatives he has working either directly or indirectly for him.
 
I think they also need to redefine the charging foul by the offensive player. They need to give him another half step. The defenders are getting too good at getting into position AFTER and offensive guy has committed to his move. It is hurting the game, there are too many real charges, non-flopping fouls these days.
 
YB85 said:
These fines are a slap on the wrist. Of course, when the slap happens, the player will jerk his head back and fly across the floor.
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Depends on the player. For a first year second rounder, $5k will hurt. For Kobe, not so much. They need to make them a percent of salary, not a set amount.
 
zman1527 said:
Depends on the player. For a first year second rounder, $5k will hurt. For Kobe, not so much. They need to make them a percent of salary, not a set amount.
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Money is immaterial. Make sure every team has to play the flops on their Jumbotron at half-time for the next week. Public humiliation!
 
MoTown16 said:
Money is immaterial. Make sure every team has to play the flops on their Jumbotron at half-time for the next week. Public humiliation!
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This reminds of the one of the many articles about this flopping policy. The author suggested that somebody (obviously not the game officials) should review potential flops and levy the fines right away. Then during the game the PA announcer could say something like "Chris Paul has just been fined for flopping." Wouldn't that be hilarious?
 
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