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Florida Airport Shooting - 5 Dead 13 hurt

Well... yes.

But we can't have those because the NRA has bought off the GOP.

I guess I meant it more in the present tense, that there wasn't much that could've been done to avoid this. Of course our lax gun laws contribute to thousands of avoidable deaths per year. But money is free speech and the NRA has bought off one entire political party. I've basically lost all hope in ever having sane gun laws in this country. The NRA is too powerful

So does drunk driving but you don't see an active campaign to ban alcohol. Spoons lead to obesity so let's ban them too. Can we and should we do more to prevent these scenarios? yes. An outright ban would force us to relive some of the worlds worst history.
 
So does drunk driving but you don't see an active campaign to ban alcohol. Spoons lead to obesity so let's ban them too. Can we and should we do more to prevent these scenarios? yes. An outright ban would force us to relive some of the worlds worst history.
Drunk driving actually is banned.
Spoons don't lead to obesity. Your post is kind of ridiculous.

It's always dumb to compare guns (things created specifically for killing) to other things that are nothing like guns.
 
So does drunk driving but you don't see an active campaign to ban alcohol. Spoons lead to obesity so let's ban them too. Can we and should we do more to prevent these scenarios? yes. An outright ban would force us to relive some of the worlds worst history.

Drunk driving and alcohol consumption are two very different things.

This is why this discussion is so worthless and I've lost hope of ever seeing sane gun regulation in my lifetime. The NRA has poisoned the dialog so much that one side just destroys any chance of ever having an educated discussion.

The USA thanks to the GOP is so ****ing backwards when it comes to these adult issues of sex education, health care, and gun regulation. We have real problems that could be solved if one party would just get out of the way with its anti science anti fact dogma.
 
Here's an interesting article about Japan which has the lowest gun crime in the world:

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38365729?ocid=socialflow_twitter

Japan has one of the lowest rates of gun crime in the world. In 2014 there were just six gun deaths, compared to 33,599 in the US. What is the secret?

If you want to buy a gun in Japan you need patience and determination. You have to attend an all-day class, take a written exam and pass a shooting-range test with a mark of at least 95%.

There are also mental health and drugs tests. Your criminal record is checked and police look for links to extremist groups. Then they check your relatives too - and even your work colleagues. And as well as having the power to deny gun licences, police also have sweeping powers to search and seize weapons.

That's not all. Handguns are banned outright. Only shotguns and air rifles are allowed.

The law restricts the number of gun shops. In most of Japan's 40 or so prefectures there can be no more than three, and you can only buy fresh cartridges by returning the spent cartridges you bought on your last visit.

Police must be notified where the gun and the ammunition are stored - and they must be stored separately under lock and key. Police will also inspect guns once a year. And after three years your licence runs out, at which point you have to attend the course and pass the tests again.

The current gun control law was introduced in 1958, but the idea behind the policy dates back centuries.

"Ever since guns entered the country, Japan has always had strict gun laws," says Iain Overton, executive director of Action on Armed Violence and the author of Gun Baby Gun.
"They are the first nation to impose gun laws in the whole world and I think it laid down a bedrock saying that guns really don't play a part in civilian society."

People were being rewarded for giving up firearms as far back as 1685, a policy Overton describes as "perhaps the first ever gun buyback initiative".

The result is a very low level of gun ownership - 0.6 guns per 100 people in 2007, according to the Small Arms Survey, compared to 6.2 in England and Wales and 88.8 in the US.

"The moment you have guns in society, you will have gun violence but I think it's about the quantity," says Overton. "If you have very few guns in society, you will almost inevitably have low levels of violence."

Japanese police officers rarely use guns and put much greater emphasis on martial arts - all are expected to become a black belt in judo. They spend more time practising kendo (fighting with bamboo swords) than learning how to use firearms.

"The response to violence is never violence, it's always to de-escalate it. Only six shots were fired by Japanese police nationwide [in 2015]," says journalist Anthony Berteaux. "What most Japanese police will do is get huge futons and essentially roll up a person who is being violent or drunk into a little burrito and carry them back to the station to calm them down."

Overton contrasts this with the American model, which he says has been "to militarise the police".

"If you have too many police pulling out guns at the first instance of crime, you lead to a miniature arms race between police and criminals," he says.

To underline the taboo attached to inappropriate use of weapons, an officer who used his gun to kill himself was charged posthumously with a criminal offence. He carried out the act while on duty - policemen never carry weapons off-duty, leaving them at the station when they finish their shift.

The care police take with firearms is mirrored in the self-defence forces.

Journalist Jake Adelstein once attended a shooting practice, which ended with the gathering up of the bullet casings - and there was great concern when one turned out to be missing.
"One bullet shell was unaccounted for - one shell had fallen behind one of the targets - and nobody was allowed to leave the facilities until they found the shell," he says.

There is no clamour in Japan for gun regulations to be relaxed, says Berteaux. "A lot of it stems from this post-war sentiment of pacifism that the war was horrible and we can never have that again," he explains.

"People assume that peace is always going to exist and when you have a culture like that you don't really feel the need to arm yourself or have an object that disrupts that peace."
In fact, moves to expand the role of Japan's self-defence forces in foreign peacekeeping operations have caused concern in some quarters.

"It is unknown territory," says political science professor Koichi Nakano. "Maybe the government will try to normalise occasional death in the self-defence force and perhaps even try to glorify the exercise of weapons?"

According to Iain Overton, the "almost taboo level of rejection" of guns in Japan means that the country is "edging towards a perfect place" - though he points out that Iceland also achieves a very low rate of gun crime, despite a much higher level of gun ownership.

Henrietta Moore of the Institute for Global Prosperity at University College London applauds the Japanese for not viewing gun ownership as "a civil liberty", and rejecting the idea of firearms as "something you use to defend your property against others".

But for Japanese gangsters the tight gun control laws are a problem. Yakuza gun crime has sharply declined in the last 15 years, but those who continue to carry firearms have to find ingenious ways of smuggling them into the country.

"The criminals pack the guns inside of a tuna so it looks like a frozen tuna," says retired police officer Tahei Ogawa. "But we have discovered cases where they have actually hidden a gun inside."
 
This was a former member of the U.S. Military who had serious mental health issues and who sought help for his mental heath issues.

I'd like to take a second to say something very sincere: Go **** yourself Hack!

Weird. Why is it that 90% of the time there is some connection to Islam with these terrorist attacks Or did you gloss over the word ISIS? Or are you going to try and argue that the government really did force him to watch ISIS videos? Why would he be hearing voices telling him to join ISIS? What is ISIS? Do you even know?

P.s. I find it comical that you cant control your emotions.
 
People (not leftists, since it is insulting to many who feel the same way on all sides) are tolerant of Islam because they realize there are millions of Muslims peacefully living their lives in this country like everyone else. Everyone knows about the Islamists. Nobody lives under a rock. But they would rather not alienate their fellow citizens who have nothing to do with that ideology.

Also, what does this story have to do with Islam? I read something about him saying that he believed the government is controlling his mind to make him a member of ISIS. But this is clearly a case of a mentally ill individual, and not a serious ideologue.

If you read the Quran, are you not part of that ideology? The Quaran has some pretty awful and scary passages in it.

There just seems to be this idea that we have to be tolerant of a book that teaches horrible things just because of the race of people who follow it, so we dont seem racist. I don't believe that has to be the case. There are plenty of people who have left Islamic religion, and are speaking out against it. But they are very few compared to the people who preach it to be the truth. Its very dangerous thing. There should be no tolerance of it. What if the KKK decided to call itself a religion. Should we then be tolerant of its views?

This story has everything to do with Islam. Its message is infecting the planet. This is a prime example of what happens when it reaches a mentally ill person. Everyone wants to keep guns out of the hands of nutjobs. Well, what about brainwashing violent messages? Thats just as dangerous. If not more. Guns dont kill people. Lunatics kill people. Bad ideas create lunatics.

When someone speaks out against Islam, that doesn't necessarily mean they are speaking out against a skin color or race. There is a big distinction between the two. If some white kid from the US joins Islam and commits a terrorist attack. Islam is still to blame.

This isn't just about Islam either. Its about all religions that teach, or have taught bad things. I'm not a Christian. I don't believe in or follow the bible. Its had a lot of its own horrible things come from it. But at least it made changes to itself. So there really isnt much to complain about it for the current times.

I also know that a lot of this has to do with the United States creating so much bad blood around the world. Which is why I vote against who I think is the warmonger. Trump may say alot of things that sound racist, but at least he talks about trying to reduce our involment militarily around the world. You can say that about Clinton. Maybe Trump turns out to be the same, but we dont know that yet. We knew what Hillary wanted to do. She said as much herself and so did her voting record.
 
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You assume that there's no good way to filter out the idiots, so you limit access altogether.


Unless you wanna fear a mass shooting every time you go to a mall

so the anti-gun people just want a total ban?
we keep giving them compromises. but the compromises move us to the left. until only the biggest murderers in history have the guns. to commit more democide!!!!!!
 
I thought I read somewhere that this shooting happened in a gun free zone. I am so sick of these criminals ignoring the signs that clearly state No Guns Allowed! When are they going to start listening? Gun Free Zone means just that! Maybe we just need bigger signs in more languages?
 
Apparently it is perfectly legal to carry guns in checked luggage....


As long as you tell the Airlines about it and they are unloaded.


Some airlines even allow ammunition can be packed in the same container as the firearms. (but why are they even required to be 'unloaded' in the first place is beyond me).


https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2017/01/07/perfectly-legal-carry-gun-checked-luggage/o8RIIna2Tw6ZF78hzRIVlK/story.html?s_campaign=bostonglobe%3Asocialflow%3Atwitter

If a weapon is unloaded, there can be no accidental discharge for any reason (rough handling by airline personnel, turbulence , etc).


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If a weapon is unloaded, there can be no accidental discharge for any reason (rough handling by airline personnel, turbulence , etc).


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But in theory somone meaning harm could also just as easily reload it right?


Why allow ammunition or even the gun itself in the first place?
 
But in theory somone meaning harm could also just as easily reload it right?


Why allow ammunition or even the gun itself in the first place?
Obviously someone with bad intentions can simply grab it, load it, and go to town; as evidenced by this incident.
As far as why it's allowed: there are a lot of people who travel to use their guns (hunting, shooting competitions, gun shows, just to name a few). They have to be able to transport their weapons somehow. A lot of those same people, especially where precision is paramount (hunters, competitors), like their ammo a very specific way. A lot of those same people even reload their own ammo. Again, they have to be able to transport it somehow.


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so the anti-gun people just want a total ban?
we keep giving them compromises. but the compromises move us to the left. until only the biggest murderers in history have the guns. to commit more democide!!!!!!

See Japan. It works.
 
Obviously someone with bad intentions can simply grab it, load it, and go to town; as evidenced by this incident.
As far as why it's allowed: there are a lot of people who travel to use their guns (hunting, shooting competitions, gun shows, just to name a few). They have to be able to transport their weapons somehow. A lot of those same people, especially where precision is paramount (hunters, competitors), like their ammo a very specific way. A lot of those same people even reload their own ammo. Again, they have to be able to transport it somehow.


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Then I think allowing the unloaded weapon can be allowed, but not ammunition....


I mean you can just as easily purchase ammunition at your destination, no?
 
Then I think allowing the unloaded weapon can be allowed, but not ammunition....


I mean you can just as easily purchase ammunition at your destination, no?

Can you purchase it? Probably. Do you know where to go to get the exact ammo you want/need? Maybe, but probably not. Can you purchase ammo you reloaded yourself to the precise specs you want? Nope.


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Can you purchase it? Probably. Do you know where to go to get the exact ammo you want/need? Maybe, but probably not. Can you purchase ammo you reloaded yourself to the precise specs you want? Nope.


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Then I guess it comes down to a cost/benefit type scenario right?


Do we want to prevent these types of incidents from happening for the vast majority of people or satisfy a small group of people needing precise & specialised weapon/ammunition reloading?
 
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