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Following 2016 potential draftees

Can't put my finger on one guy yet, but of guys who might be in our range I've liked all of Baldwin, Chriss, Skal, Maker, Davis, Luwawu depending on the day. Not a big fan of some of the others in our range: Valentine, Ellenson, Korkmaz, Prince
 
King Cy said:
Fair enough. I guess that is where interviews and workouts come into play. Physically they are very similar, but Richardson does have an edge.
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He has a wingspan 3/4" longer, it's not much of an edge. Especially when you consider that Baldwin actually plays well on both sides of the court, and can play multiple positions. I don't think it's even close tbh, Baldwin is much better.
 
#bern said:
He has a wingspan 3/4" longer, it's not much of an edge. Especially when you consider that Baldwin actually plays well on both sides of the court, and can play multiple positions. I don't think it's even close tbh, Baldwin is much better.
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Who performed in big games tho?

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#bern said:
He has a wingspan 3/4" longer, it's not much of an edge. Especially when you consider that Baldwin actually plays well on both sides of the court, and can play multiple positions. I don't think it's even close tbh, Baldwin is much better.
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I dunno Cy would kill for an extra 3/4" tbh
 
Worth posting again in light of the Richardson discussion:

Malik Beasley wasn't a 2015 McDonald's All-American and wasn't chosen to the Nike Hoop Summit USA Team. He never played in any FIBA National Team tournaments and ended his senior year ranked as the 36th best high school player in the country by the Recruiting Services Consensus Index.

Now 23 games into his freshman season at Florida State, Beasley has steadily become one of the most productive and efficient freshmen in all of college basketball. Among RSCI 2015 Top 100 recruits, Beasley is third in points per game behind likely No. 1 pick Ben Simmons and potential lottery pick Jamal Murray. Beasley is scoring at an extremely efficient clip, and doing so in the storied Atlantic Coast Conference. He scored 23 points (16 shots) against Louisville, the second-best defense in the country according to KenPom.com. He scored 17 points (10 shots) on defensive juggernaut Virginia, and 20 points (17 shots) on Iowa, the 11th-best defensive team in the country, efficiency-wise.

Beasley has scored 20 points or more nine times this season and has scored in double figures in all of his collegiate games. Needless to say, Beasley has been consistent, efficient, and productive, and NBA scouts are certainly starting to take notice of the freshman from Alpharetta, GA.

Efficient Production

Beasley is scoring at a historically efficient rate uncommon among players his age in the ACC (stats from the DraftExpress Database):

• Since 1992, only two ACC guards have averaged more than 17 points per game while posting a true shooting percentage over 60 percent: Kyrie Irving (11 games played) and Malik Beasley.

• Since 2000, only nine ACC guards under the age of 20 have averaged more 17 points per game. Of those nine, only three shot over 50 percent from 2-point range and 40 percent from 3-point range: Irving, Beasley and Rashad McCants.

• Beasley is the only freshman guard in the country scoring more than 20 points per 40 minutes while shooting over 55 percent from 2-point range and 40 percent from 3-point range.

Strengths




Standing 6-foot-5 with a 6-foot-7 wingspan, Beasley doesn't quite have elite physical tools for an NBA shooting guard but he's an impressive athlete, excellent shooter and aggressive slasher who brings an energetic approach to the floor.

Beasley does a lot of damage in the open court – 26.9 percent of his offense, according to Synergy Sports – by using his speed to sprint to the rim and his explosiveness to catch lobs or hammer home tomahawk dunks. Although not the most polished ball handler, Beasley is more than capable of grabbing a rebound and getting to the front of the rim himself. Florida State plays at the 30th-fastest pace in the NCAA, according to KenPom.com, and Beasley's athleticism is a big reason why.

In the half court, Beasley plays a simple and efficient game, one that's predicated on catch-and-shoot jumpers, one- or two-dribble pull-ups, straight-line drives and movement without the basketball. Beasley has the eighth-best true shooting percentage among 38 guards in the DraftExpress Top 100, a result of not only his shooting stroke and finishing ability, but also his focus on playing within himself.

As a shooter Beasley is very sound mechanically, showing outstanding shot preparation before the catch, tremendous balance, quick elevation as he goes into his motion, and a clean wrist action at the top of his jump that produces a healthy amount of back spin. Beasley can shoot off the hop or after planting one foot after another, an important skill for shooting on the move and under duress.

With defenders having to respect Beasley's catch-and-shoot jumper, which yields 1.175 points per possession, he's able to use his athleticism to attack scrambling defenders to get into a mid-range pull-up, floater or finish at the rim. Beasley displays the same impressive mechanics on his pull-up that he does on his catch-and-shoot jumper, which should help him become more of a versatile scorer as his ball-handling improves.

The final part of Beasley's scoring arsenal comes in the paint, where he employs his explosiveness and aggressive nature to finish at the hoop or get to the line. Beasley also shows flashes of a floater that he's able to mix in when a help-side defender is loading up to take a charge or the rim protector is in perfect position.

Although he's not much of a shot creator at this stage, Beasley's ability to score efficiently is certainly a coveted skill in today's NBA.

Beasley also plays with a motor you don't always see out of 19-year-old freshman with his skill level and athleticism. He's a very good rebounder for his position – 7.1 per 40 minutes with pace adjusted, ranking fifth among DraftExpress' Top 100 guards – and flies around on the defensive end. He moves without the ball offensively and plays an unselfish brand of basketball.

Beasley's overall intangibles are most certainly a positive. Watching him warm up an hour before the game you can see his personality when he's on the floor. The son of actor Michael Beasley and actress Deena Beasley, Malik is very engaged with teammates, yet locked in when it's time to get shots up. Beasley comes from an excellent family, really competes and his development curve speaks to his work ethic. Overall, there's certainly a lot to like about Beasley as an NBA two-guard prospect.
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For comparison, here's his highlight reel by the same youtube channel as Malachi's that Cy posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VBXh_297Y4

I like both of them, honestly. Beasley is the better athlete and wheeeyyy more efficient, but Richardson has better size, which definitely counts for something (and is more in line with DL's draft history: Leonard, Gobert, Exum). If they're going to be available in the 20s, then I'd love to trade down for one of them and Maker (via Philly's 24th and 26th picks).
 
His shot looks good. When projecting a prospect's ability to shoot in the NBA, form might be just as telling as his %. Beal shot fairly mediocre at Florida, too, but his form was Ray Allen esque.

I also like his potential to work with his back to the basket; he's got the body for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S89sJWwDJSg
 
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spycam1 said:
Worth posting again in light of the Richardson discussion:



For comparison, here's his highlight reel by the same youtube channel as Malachi's that Cy posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VBXh_297Y4

I like both of them, honestly. Beasley is the better athlete and wheeeyyy more efficient, but Richardson has better size, which definitely counts for something (and is more in line with DL's draft history: Leonard, Gobert, Exum). If they're going to be available in the 20s, then I'd love to trade down for one of them and Maker (via Philly's 24th and 26th picks).
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I like Beasley much more than Richardson.
 
King Cy said:
Who performed in big games tho?

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Does it matter? Either one will be a role player for us.

So who do you want? The one who can create a bit, shoot and defend well, or the one who's only skill so far is scoring inefficiently? The amount of offensive oriented wings with little defensive skills that contribute to good teams is pretty slim. Defense, especially perimeter defense, matters. I honestly think in the right place, Baldwin has a bigger impact than Murray.
 
#bern said:
Does it matter? Either one will be a role player for us.

So who do you want? The one who can create a bit, shoot and defend well, or the one who's only skill so far is scoring inefficiently? The amount of offensive oriented wings with little defensive skills that contribute to good teams is pretty slim. Defense, especially perimeter defense, matters. I honestly think in the right place, Baldwin has a bigger impact than Murray.
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Was Richardson that bad of a defender in college? He's got the tools, for sure.
 
#bern said:
Does it matter? Either one will be a role player for us.

So who do you want? The one who can create a bit, shoot and defend well, or the one who's only skill so far is scoring inefficiently? The amount of offensive oriented wings with little defensive skills that contribute to good teams is pretty slim. Defense, especially perimeter defense, matters. I honestly think in the right place, Baldwin has a bigger impact than Murray.
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Yes, I think performing well against top tier talent is important.

Baldwin was on a team that a lot of people liked over Kentucky to win the SEC and they barely made the NCAA Tourney (controversial bid tbh). Then they get blown out in the Tourney and Baldwin doesnt do ish vs Baker/Van Vleet.

Meanwhile you have Richardson playing at his best vs teams like Virginia (twice with one being a big game in the Tourney)and Miami.

I think that is a logical reason to have Richardson over Baldwin on a big board.

I like both players, I just see more potential in Richardson.
 
I still want to trade Burke to the 76ers for 24 and 26 + future picks. Take Malik Beasley with 24 and Petr Cornelie with 26.
Anyone who isn't familiar with Cornelie should look him up.
 
spycam1 said:
Worth posting again in light of the Richardson discussion:



For comparison, here's his highlight reel by the same youtube channel as Malachi's that Cy posted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VBXh_297Y4

I like both of them, honestly. Beasley is the better athlete and wheeeyyy more efficient, but Richardson has better size, which definitely counts for something (and is more in line with DL's draft history: Leonard, Gobert, Exum). If they're going to be available in the 20s, then I'd love to trade down for one of them and Maker (via Philly's 24th and 26th picks).
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I'm officially in love with Beasley. The shot is very quick and the motor is a big deal. Guys that play that hard love the game and will work to improve. I think on the low end he'll be Gary Harris... Other than where they were ranked before the season began I don't see a lot of difference between Beal and him. Beal obviously has one of the prettiest jumpers in the game and Beasley isn't quite there aesthetically but he shot a good percentage in threes and free throws.

Good rebounding wing who plays hard and can hit the catch and shoot shot sounds like what we need.
 
Tony said:
I still want to trade Burke to the 76ers for 24 and 26 + future picks. Take Malik Beasley with 24 and Petr Cornelie with 26.
Anyone who isn't familiar with Cornelie should look him up.
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Ummm little steep for Burke... I think we'd be lucky to get one early second rouser for him.
 
Tony said:
I still want to trade Burke to the 76ers for 24 and 26 + future picks. Take Malik Beasley with 24 and Petr Cornelie with 26.
Anyone who isn't familiar with Cornelie should look him up.
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We'd be lucky just to get #26 for Burke.
 
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