Game6Conley
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Louisville is so on fire to start this game... All I can say is wow. Their 13/14 from the field, 4/4 from 3, 8/9 from the stripe.. Very impressive stuff tbpfh.
Following 2016 potential draftees
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Game6Conley
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Chinanu Onuaku really doesn't look like a 1st round pick. He's very foul prone, can't get out of his own way typa stuff..
Game6Conley
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Devonte Graham being #75 in DX's Sophomore rankings is just asinine, and it's going to get corrected in a major way, he's got way too many redeeming qualities that check out.. If KU were to do big things this year, which I think they will. Graham will be an essential piece to the puzzle. I've actually been talking about him here since he shot up the recruiting rankings while being an Appalachian St commit -- He's performing really well thus far. kinda happy to see it. he's legit!
6'2" with a great first step, long arms and he's solidly built. Shot 43% from 3 as a freshman and is at 39% this year. He's got quick hands and gets steals. I like his anticipation, he's often in the right place at the right time. Very good player/prospect. He was slowed last year with a nagging turf toe too.
.8 turnovers to 3.6 assists, in 30mpg.. He's being asked to play SG and sometimes flex to PG, when clearly he's just a PG
Wayne Selden is on some kind of tear shooting these 3's, he shoulda saved this for the tournament when he could really built some hype.
Svi looks legit too. When his shot is good he hits the back net almost everytime, a few inches below the rim. He'll continue to ascend draft boards playing like this.
Diallo showing his mid-range J in this game. If he's good with that, there's no chance he falls from the lottery.
6'2" with a great first step, long arms and he's solidly built. Shot 43% from 3 as a freshman and is at 39% this year. He's got quick hands and gets steals. I like his anticipation, he's often in the right place at the right time. Very good player/prospect. He was slowed last year with a nagging turf toe too.
.8 turnovers to 3.6 assists, in 30mpg.. He's being asked to play SG and sometimes flex to PG, when clearly he's just a PG
Wayne Selden is on some kind of tear shooting these 3's, he shoulda saved this for the tournament when he could really built some hype.
Svi looks legit too. When his shot is good he hits the back net almost everytime, a few inches below the rim. He'll continue to ascend draft boards playing like this.
Diallo showing his mid-range J in this game. If he's good with that, there's no chance he falls from the lottery.
zyzz
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Diamond went from like 2 or 3 on DX Mock to late lottery, to 17th in their latest. Why do you think he's trending upwards? I haven't watched enough of him, so I'm just curious what I should be looking for. Me and Dr. Jones think he's going to be the Cliff Alexander of the draft. I only watched a couple DX vids, so for me it's just an eye test and gut feeling at this point.
Game6Conley
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Well I'm not crazy about his game, I would say he's slightly Okafor-ish though, or possibly even Kanter-esqe.. I can't say anything 100% definitively until I see how he measures out, I don't buy the 7' in-shoes measurement from Team USA.. He's lost a good deal of weight since I first encountered his story too, back when they were calling him far and away the best player in Wisconsin(before Henry Ellenson blew up) so for a few reasons I kinda have a wait and see attitude, there's a lot of moving parts..
I never really thought that NY's own Thomas Bryant, (who was only really hyped by DX as a potential draftee) from Indiana was going to be better as a freshman.
I've long said he's around the top-20 in this draft, I have him somewhere in the 20's now, I think he's got a chance to go higher though.
What to watch for is;
Stone's got great hands, not hands of stone.. There's no debate about it. I think there's some story where he used to fight in Karate tournaments or something, and he always had to fight much older competition because of his size. He's got legit hand-eye coordination..
How does his go-to move look? the simple drop-step. As crazy as it sounds, I like to compare big's drop-steps to Brook Lopez, just as a measuring stick. Diamond has a good one, and he can carve out space because of his build and balance.
How's he deal with taller more athletic players?
How does his hook shot look? he's got a good one. Over his left shoulder. how's his touch around the rim? it's definitely pretty good vs smaller competition.
How does his midrange and FT shot look? you'll notice he has a very soft, natural shooting touch, gets plenty of rotation on the ball. Which for someone that size and age is abnormal.
How does he look moving around? I'd say he's pretty damn coordinated. He's certainly not mechanical, he's got a degree of smoothness to his game.
How's he move his feet on defense? What kind of lift does he have without the excess fat??
How's he look on the O boards?
I could keep going but watching his Turnovers should be a big key too.
Game6Conley
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11:49 to go Kansas 50 - Harvard 49.. Gonzaga-Arizona is tied with 10 to go too!!
Svi with a nice closeout and easy layup.. He's been off from 3 though, so far..
Svi with a nice closeout and easy layup.. He's been off from 3 though, so far..
Game6Conley
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Lemme predict that Trier's about to win this game for Arizona in the last few minutes. I've seen this movie before! Gonzaga knows whats up, they just sent a double-team at him a minute or 2 ago.
Game6Conley
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Cal escapes from Wyoming in OT. Puzzling boxscore.. Ty Wallace had to carry them with Rabb and Brown fouled out.
Maneesh
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Lol at any mod who does not think these threads should be moved.
Game6Conley
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Joined this site in 2015 right?? who are you to be calling shots about these threads that have done huge #'s the last few years?!? fall in-line rookie!!
Cal has a handful of players that potentially could get drafted by Utah.
I also reject the notion that players who end up on other teams don't affect the Jazz. As much as I'd like to just root for Utah to keep getting better, thats only half of the equation. It's not just how much they improve, it's how much they improve vs the field..
Game6Conley
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Dont think any of the Gonzaga guards are going to get drafted.
I LOL'ed reading this. Not a snowflakes chance in hell. I HATE to see that kind of imbalance, it's wildly unnecessary, and I'm sure it involves some flawed scouting/recruiting misses, for a team as prominent as the Zags thats weak..
There's seriously a handful of 5th year x-fer type players that would've made them SO much more dangerous. Ricky Tarrant now at Memphis would've been one of their leading scorers Easy. Same can be said about Trey Lewis now at UL.
Gotta say I'm not all that surprised the way it played out, Trier has ice running thru his veins. That's gotta be all sorts of demoralizing for their bigs, to play that well/efficiently and still lose.
I knew Gonzaga wasn't the best team on the west coast this year. I thought it'd be Utah, whos now tied with Arizona at 7-1. UNLV is surging up that list of best in the west quickly, Cal has the big three at F, Wing, and PG so that's an ideal setup, not working all that well for them early on. UNLV is just a team loaded with sleepers, they have bench players I like, like Jaylen Poyser, and Derrick Jones -- This 6'5" tank of a SG, Ike Nwamu a 5th year x-fer looks like he brings them the toughness they need at guard too. I love their roster composition tbh, their coach Dave Rice has assembled quite the squad.
The Zags need to find a PG of the future in the worst way. Zach Norvell at SG will hold it down for them in the next recruting class, which is loaded with bigs.
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Game6Conley
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Obviously this is from some uninformed people, but I've read plenty of mischaracterizations(Why is this getting spellchecked!?) about Brandon Ingram since the games went live -- The most common of which, id say is;
"He's just tall and long, doesn't really do much, he's not that skilled" I've seen countless people say "I just don't see it, I don't get the hype" and of course "They compared this guy to Durant?! are you kidding me?!" -- Basically stuff thats kinda just complainy complaints, stuff that IMO signals a clear lack of context.......................................................... .............................................................. .................... ..................... .................... ................
I still know Duke fans who think Grayson Allen is lightyears better.
All that ****, is obviously just that -- ****. It's WAY off base. I've got Ingram #1 on my board, slightly infront of Simmons, Bender, Jamal and Skal. I wouldn't argue that Ingram is the better player than Simmons, because right now he's not. I'd contend that he's a better project though..
I'd rather have Brandon Ingram on the Jazz, than Ben Simmons.. That's just me though.
Ingram's skill-set is being undersold, some of the early critiques I've seen on his game are totally unjust. Specifically his ability to put the ball on the floor, I've even seen people say they don't think he can shoot -- Which is absurd, he can catch and shoot and pull-up rather fluidly for a lanky 18 year old.
I only caught the first half vs Buffalo but he scored like 9 of their first 12, and had like 16,5 and 3 blocks at halftime.
Behold;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boWYZqj4Jkk
"He's just tall and long, doesn't really do much, he's not that skilled" I've seen countless people say "I just don't see it, I don't get the hype" and of course "They compared this guy to Durant?! are you kidding me?!" -- Basically stuff thats kinda just complainy complaints, stuff that IMO signals a clear lack of context.......................................................... .............................................................. .................... ..................... .................... ................
I still know Duke fans who think Grayson Allen is lightyears better.
All that ****, is obviously just that -- ****. It's WAY off base. I've got Ingram #1 on my board, slightly infront of Simmons, Bender, Jamal and Skal. I wouldn't argue that Ingram is the better player than Simmons, because right now he's not. I'd contend that he's a better project though..
I'd rather have Brandon Ingram on the Jazz, than Ben Simmons.. That's just me though.
Ingram's skill-set is being undersold, some of the early critiques I've seen on his game are totally unjust. Specifically his ability to put the ball on the floor, I've even seen people say they don't think he can shoot -- Which is absurd, he can catch and shoot and pull-up rather fluidly for a lanky 18 year old.
I only caught the first half vs Buffalo but he scored like 9 of their first 12, and had like 16,5 and 3 blocks at halftime.
Behold;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boWYZqj4Jkk
karl malone
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As someone who doesn't follow the NCAA closely outside of March Madness, top prospects, & potential Jazz targets, who should I be keeping an eye on? Obviously it's difficult to predict where Utah will pick due to the Gobert injury, but the FO's M.O. has clearly been to select high-character players who fit our system & also have high ceilings. I know it's extremely early to be asking this, but what players could fit that description within the #10-20 range?
Guys I've been able to watch(so not much freshman) that I like, think fit those qualifiers and should be in our range or lower. I'll include where they are currently slotted on draftexpress.
Timothe Luwawu(15)- French wing, 20 years old, seems like a fairly prototypical 3andD type guy.
Nigel Hayes(24)- Forward at Wisconsin, 20 years old, poor man's Draymond. Really like how he plays, think he could fit in anywhere.
Domantas Sabonis(25)- Gonzaga post player, 19 years old, seems like a solid backup big type.
karl malone
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Thank you, I will check them out.
Brandon Ingram is defintely coming into his own. His body looks much more developed than I would have expected. With the sub-par play of Skal (not that I think he won't improve) I think you have to move up Ingram to #2 behind Simmons.
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Game6Conley
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It's early and I don't mind constantly updating my mocks; Kris Dunn has been hopping back and forth between 7-13 on my board for much of this early season. I'm waiting for uniform measurements on most of these players, just working with guesstimates for now(Ingram's obviously as tall/lanky as they list him at, he might even be 6'10"- Ever see him standing next to Chase Jeter??). I certainly don't believe that Simmons can do a 3/4 court sprint faster than everyone in DX's database - That won't be put to the test, because Simmons will sit out the combine and front like those LSU measurements were legit.. (I digress tho)
I dislike how people concentrate on the top spots in the draft.. The Jazz aren't that bad -- why is Ben Simmons seemingly the most talked about player in this thread?!? (Could it be because he's apparently the safest bet and therefore people feel safe talking confidently about him? I wonder...)
I don't get hung up on having the safest pick possible at the top spot, at this juncture, things are far from final, potential vs production is a tough thing to gauge. I'd warn not to listen to anyone who's trying to sell something definitive at this point, public perception is fragile, and can be swayed quickly,(and in devastating fashion) under the right circumstance.. I had Oubre really high on my board around this time last year, like many others.. I don't know all the facts yet, I have a pretty good idea, still gathering info and looking for 'proof' that reinforces whats said in these scouting reports.. I don't claim to be infallible, I had Hasheem Thabeet higher than Steph Curry, for sure. I just think I'm pretty good for a "home-gamer", I'm certainly no expert, it's just a hobby of mine.. I have my wins and my losses, like everyone else. My accuracy is pretty good all things considered, Or I wouldn't continue to sink time into it, I love this stuff though - Very high entertainment value for me, I get amped for matchups like #25Baylor- #17Vanderbilt
There's a reason I do the tiers on the mocks. The top tier is always players that can make a case for the #1 pick, I've never had Simmons outside of that tier.
I've been pretty good with the #1 picks over the years tbh, If I wrote the list, you'd know it. 2006 and 2007 were probably my best calls though, I was vehement that Durant played well enough to go #1, and I was also vehement that Lamarcus Aldridge(and Rudy Gay) were better than Bargnani. I had Yao Ming over Jay Williams. Dwight over Emeka Okafor, which wasn't popular with college basketball fans at-all. Obviously Lebron was #1 in 2002 there;s no chance in hell I'd have taken Darko over Chris Bosh though, Bosh was a proven winner in my eyes at that point.
None of that is revisionists history either, like I said, I was vehement about some of this stuff..