Following 2016 potential draftees

[fishonjazz]

He's doing very impressive things. I don't think anyone is hating on the guy. Having concerns about taking him in the top 3, as some have suggested, is totally reasonable.

Ya. That's all up to each person's opinion.
We were discussing his unreal numbers I thought.

And posters were like. Other guys have been as good as him shooting the ball and busted. And I think sjf just showed that other guys have not been as good as him shooting the ball.

 

[fishonjazz]

Ok. If you aren't going to accept clear facts this discussion is pointless.

Also you understand by playing in a better conference he has better players on his team setting him up?

Is the big 12 better or worse than the mcw and wcc?
Clear facts?

 

[seattlejazzfan]

To assume guys won't improve in two years is also ignoring reality.

Big difference between improvement and improving to historic levels.

 

[Miggs]

Degree of difficulty? Now you're grasping at straws and making things up. You can't measure degree of difficulty. Lol. Jimmer 59% and Morrison 60% in the MWC and WCC respectively. Not close to Hield 67% in the big 12.

But nice effort.

In his defense, Morrison and Jimmer did play in brutally tough conferences.

 

[fishonjazz]

This is about how he projects as an NBA player.

That's not what I was discussing with you.
How he projects is a dumb argument because it's 100% opinion.

I say you curry, you say jimmer or whoever. It's just speculation, protection, and opinion.

I thought we were discussing whether other college dudes had done what he did.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Is the big 12 better or worse than the mcw and wcc?
Clear facts?

You know when you play in a "better" conference you also have better teammates setting you up.

 

[fishonjazz]

The Big 12 is pretty decent, but the talent that Hield has played against at his position is pretty weak. That matters.

As if you know every player he has went against and how good each of those players are lol.

Besides he can only go against the guys on his schedule.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Ya. That's all up to each person's opinion.
We were discussing his unreal numbers I thought.

And posters were like. Other guys have been as good as him shooting the ball and busted. And I think sjf just showed that other guys have not been as good as him shooting the ball.

I didn't say they were as good at shooting as Bield, but every year there are players putting up gawdy scoring stats on good %. The difference is most of these guys are on smaller schools (because if you go to a big school and are actually good, you are usually in the NBA before you become a senior or you have high profile under-classmen coming in who take shots away from you) and have to create more of their offense, which results in worse % while Hield is on a pretty good team where he has other players who can play also.

 

[Miggs]

Fwiw, Salim Stoudamire had better shooting numbers.

Probably the fairest comp yet. That said, I think Salim's physical limitations were obvious coming out.

Call me a Buddy homer. Dude is flat out killing it though.

 

[fishonjazz]

You know when you play in a "better" conference you also have better teammates setting you up.

So then we can just throw conference and competition level out of the discussion then apparently. If you play in a good conference then you go against better opponents..... But you also have better teammates. So it cancels out I guess. I didn't bring it up btw.

 

[Miggs]

Also Dunn has regressed pretty much across the board since last year.

 

[fishonjazz]

I didn't say they were as good at shooting as Bield, but every year there are players putting up gawdy scoring stats on good %. The difference is most of these guys are on smaller schools (because if you go to a big school and are actually good, you are usually in the NBA before you become a senior or you have high profile under-classmen coming in who take shots away from you) and have to create more of their offense, which results in worse % while Hield is on a pretty good team where he has other players who can play also.

But you go against worse competition and get more opportunity too.

This is fun.

 

[Miggs]

You know when you play in a "better" conference you also have better teammates setting you up.

Keep grasping at straws.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Also Dunn has regressed pretty much across the board since last year.

Kind of like Buddy Hield regressed his sophomore to junior year?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Keep grasping at straws.

Arent you the person who was convinced Branden Dawson would be a good NBA player?

Got to let teh senior love go.

 

[Miggs]

I guess it don't really matter. Seattle jazz fan already dropped the knowledge

Dahell. I dropped that **** hours and hours ago.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think he is a total stud and should be picked near the top of the draft. Other people don't think that.

That's really what it comes down too.

No big deal.

 

[Miggs]

Arent you the person who was convinced Branden Dawson would be a good NBA player?

Got to let teh senior love go.

Close. I said if he developed his shot he could be. I wasn't saying to take him in the 1st round though.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

But you go against worse competition and get more opportunity too.

This is fun.

Yeah but if you strength is spot-up shooting then you will benefit from better teammates more than you would playing against smaller/less athletic competition where you are forced to create nearly 100% of your team's offense.

 

[Miggs]

Kind of like Buddy Hield regressed his sophomore to junior year?

He regressed so much so that he was Big 12 POY.