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stitches said:
Korkmaz is the best shooter of that bunch and it's not close, he's been shooting >40% for the last 2 years in pro ball and >40% in almost all international competitions. Richardson shot 37% from the field FFS. When you take away his at the basket shots, he's 31% shooter on all jumpshots. That's horrible.
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spycam1 said:
Korkmaz doesn't do it on a high number of attempts and his form is strange IMO. That doesn't mean he's not a good shooter, but it makes me suspicious. He doesn't follow through; he sort of flicks the ball. But if it goes in, it goes in.

Richardson shot 41% from deep on an extremely high number of attempts after January 1. I think he's the streakiest of the bunch, but he also shows the best ability to shoot off the dribble; the types of 3s he makes are often very difficult (step backs off the dribble with a defender in his face; he also took a fair amount of 3s from far behind the line).

Luwawu shoots the best combination of % and sample size, but he's much more methodical on his form and think he's behind Kork and Malachi in his ability to shoot off the dribble.

Going straight off the numbers in any aspect isn't the way to project players' translation to the NBA. Stats shouldn't be ignored, but they only tell part of the story.

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Both good posts.
What is FFS?
 
MDAV28 said:
After some scouting on Luwawu looks like he shot pretty well from deep (43% on catch-and-shoot) and I might be missing something but Luwawu has the same measurements as Richardson but is also taller.
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They're both about 6'6-6'7 and 200 lbs. Richardson measured with a 7'0 wingspan at the combine, and DX's report claims Luwawu has a 7'3 wingspan. I'm not sure where they're getting that number from, though. If I had to guess, I'd say he's closer to 7'0 (which is still great). It's too bad he wasn't at the combine; I was really curious to see if his wingspan is legit.

They may be listed as the same weight, but Richardson looks much more filled out to me.

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spycam1 said:
They're both about 6'6-6'7 and 200 lbs. Richardson measured with a 7'0 wingspan at the combine, and DX's report claims Luwawu has a 7'3 wingspan. I'm not sure where they're getting that number from, though. If I had to guess, I'd say he's closer to 7'0 (which is still great). It's too bad he wasn't at the combine; I was really curious to see if his wingspan is legit.

They may be listed as the same weight, but Richardson looks much more filled out to me.

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Both look just a tiny bit skinny to me, but I wouldn't be concerned with that. They will fill out as they mature.
 
spycam1 said:
They're both about 6'6-6'7 and 200 lbs. Richardson measured with a 7'0 wingspan at the combine, and DX's report claims Luwawu has a 7'3 wingspan. I'm not sure where they're getting that number from, though. If I had to guess, I'd say he's closer to 7'0 (which is still great). It's too bad he wasn't at the combine; I was really curious to see if his wingspan is legit.

They may be listed as the same weight, but Richardson looks much more filled out to me.
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Draft Combine has Richardson 6' 4.75" w/o shoes and Luwawu is 6'7" w/o shoes.
 
MDAV28 said:
Draft Combine has Richardson 6' 4.75" w/o shoes and Luwawu is 6'7" w/o shoes.
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You list players with shoes on. Richardson is 6'6 rounded up in shoes. DX has Luwawu listed at 6'7, so I'm assuming that is also in shoes. Is he listed at 6'7 w/o shoes somewhere?

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Fwiw I think that if two players are somewhat equal and one played college ball and the other played overseas then I want the jazz to take the guy who played college ball.

No real logical reasoning behind that btw, I have just kind of soured a bit on drafting foreigners/euros.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
spy, I love you but you're completely bending the narrative to fit what you believe.
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What am I bending?

Richardson is a very streaky shooter on a large sample size with good form (horrid %s the first half of his freshman year and great the second half). Kork doesn't follow through and shoots a good % on low attempts (playing time?). Luwawu has improved a lot and shows solid mechanics with both good % and sample size.

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spycam1 said:
You list players with shoes on. Richardson is 6'6 rounded up in shoes. DX has Luwawu listed at 6'7, so I'm assuming that is also in shoes. Is he listed at 6'7 w/o shoes somewhere?

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DX lists both typically.
 
spycam1 said:
You list players with shoes on. Richardson is 6'6 rounded up in shoes. DX has Luwawu listed at 6'7, so I'm assuming that is also in shoes. Is he listed at 6'7 w/o shoes somewhere?

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Luwawu has pretty much everything you look for in a two-way role-playing NBA wing. He has strong physical attributes for a shooting guard or small forward, standing (in his words) 6'7 without shoes
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Straight from DX. Don't know if he has been officially measured
 
If Luwawu really has a 7'3 wingspan, then that's pretty special regardless of what his exact height is.

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spycam1 said:
Korkmaz doesn't do it on a high number of attempts and his form is strange IMO. That doesn't mean he's not a good shooter, but it makes me suspicious. He doesn't follow through; he sort of flicks the ball. But if it goes in, it goes in.

Richardson shot 41% from deep on an extremely high number of attempts after January 1. I think he's the streakiest of the bunch, but he also shows the best ability to shoot off the dribble; the types of 3s he makes are often very difficult (step backs off the dribble with a defender in his face; he also took a fair amount of 3s from far behind the line).

Luwawu shoots the best combination of % and sample size, but he's much more methodical on his form and think he's behind Kork and Malachi in his ability to shoot off the dribble.

Going straight off the numbers in any aspect isn't the way to project players' translation to the NBA. Stats shouldn't be ignored, but they only tell part of the story.

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I'm sorry but making your sample size smaller in order to fit your conclusion is not really good way to evaluate whether or not he's good shooter. The bigger the sample the better.

Here's all recorded shots by Korkmaz:

Season 2013-2014: 15/52 (he was 15-16 playing professional basketball against men)
Season 2014-2015: 33/78 (he was 16-17 playing professional basketball against men)
Season 2015-2016: 39/91 (he was 17-18 playing professional basketball against men)

International competitions(FIBA tournaments): 81/210
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That's 39% on twice the number of shots for Richardson(35%). You can't really say the sample for Korkmaz is smaller.

For what it is worth, FT% is another predictor for future 3p shooting success and there Richardson has the edge with 72% against Korkmaz' 70%. Both of those BTW don't scream a shooter.
 
Thought I'd put up the age of the Jazz starting lineup and probable drafting of best player available,if it fits a need great.

PG) Dante Exum 6'6" (21 y o) on 6/13/95
SG) Rodney Hood 6"8"(23 y o)
SF) Gordon Hayward 6'8"(26 y o)
PF) Derrick Favors 6'10(24 y o)
C) Rudy Gobert 7'1"(23 y o)

2nd unit
PG) Shane Mack 6'3 (26 y o)/Raoul Neto 6'1 (24 y o),{Draft Gary Payton Jr 6'3 (23 y o) 2nd round ,better athlete/defense}
SG) Alec Burks 6'6" (24 y o)
SF)Furkman Korkmaz 6'7"(19 y o) on 7/24/97 ,utilize Burks and Korkmaz as interchangeable
PF)Trey Lyles 6'10" (21 y o) on 11/5/95
C) Who? ,Tibor Pleiss is he good enough to back up yet,Withey ,didn't earn Snyders trust

#1) 12th pick......Furkman Korkmaz (SG)
#2) 42nd pick .... Gary Payton Jr (PG)

If Combo Forward Marquese Chriss 6'9"(19 y o) on 7/2 97) slides down to Utah at the 12th pick he replaces Furkan Korkmaz
Either Korkmaz or Chriss would be super additions to the Jazz adding elite athleticism and scoring potential to the Jazz
 
stitches said:
I'm sorry but making your sample size smaller in order to fit your conclusion is not really good way to evaluate whether or not he's good shooter. The bigger the sample the better.

Here's all recorded shots by Korkmaz:

Season 2013-2014: 15/52 (he was 15-16 playing professional basketball against men)
Season 2014-2015: 33/78 (he was 16-17 playing professional basketball against men)
Season 2015-2016: 39/91 (he was 17-18 playing professional basketball against men)

International competitions(FIBA tournaments): 81/210
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169/433

That's 39% on twice the number of shots for Richardson(35%). You can't really say the sample for Korkmaz is smaller.

For what it is worth, FT% is another predictor for future 3p shooting success and there Richardson has the edge with 72% against Korkmaz' 70%.
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Good info.

I've already acknowledged Richardson is the streakiest of the guys we're talking about. He's a risk. I'm just saying I'd be okay with the Jazz taking that risk for the potential reward, especially if they trade down for him. Others might be more hesitant to take that risk cause of his unbalanced season, which is totally understandable.

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I'll admit I don't know much about Korkmaz or even much about Luwauwu but I just don't see why you would take Richardson or Korkmaz if a prospect like Luwawu was on the board.
 
MDAV28 said:
I'll admit I don't know much about Korkmaz or even much about Luwauwu but I just don't see why you would take Richardson or Korkmaz if a prospect like Luwawu was on the board.
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I think I'd take Luwawu ahead of both.
 
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