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PKM said:
Sorry .. he is definitely a good defender. He can defend (at the college level) all 5 positions. He defends pg's and C's depending on matchups. He's the best athlete on the team and is hard-nosed .. the only reason he's not lottery is the desire to be THE man. He loves and embraces the glue-guy role. NO matter what anyone says to the contrary .. this is correct. I know the difference between what I 'know I know' and what I 'think I know.'
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If this is true (and I trust you), then his stock is going to rise. I'm reminded of Jimmy Butler going at the end of the first round. I'd be ****ing stoked to get this guy based on this evaluation. He sounds like a good fit.
 
Darius Miller bears a strong resemblance in style and context to Danny Green three years ago. He might be a fringe player for a while, but the role adjustment for him won't really be there and I like guys like that.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Wrong.
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If he is a great player why did Miss St go to the NIT? They were talented enough easily to be an NCAA team. As you describe his talent and skills he should be a dominate player. But in reality he is a very good role player. Why would that change?

You referenced Millsap as a similar player. Millsap averaged 35 minutes, 19.6 ppg and 13.3 rpg in his last college season. He never averaged less than 12.4 rpg in college. Millsap is/was a bull of a player- 6'7" and 250 to 260.

Moultrie has averaged 8.2, 6.7 and 10.5 rpg. His 6'11" and 220-230 depending on the source you believe. He is likely to be overpowered at the NBA unlike Millsap.

In other words Millsap's worst season rebounding was much better than Moultrie's best. Sometimes the 'eyeball' test for effort and motor doesn't tell the whole story.

I agree it is possible that Moultrie could develop his offensive game, but that is expection not the norm. But it is very unlikely that he becomes a much better rebounder. And for a 6'11" great athlete .8 bpg is underwhelming. He able to hedge on ball screens is a valuable skill. But nothing about his stats scream star player in the making.

Note if you go the pace adjusted per 40 minutes- Moultrie's rebounding suffers even worse by comparison.
 
^^^ Don't know what type of player Moultrie will be in the NBA, but the biggest thing he, Bost, and Hood have going for them is they've yet to be well coached. Stansbury is an f'n joke.
 
Qman said:
If he is a great player why did Miss St go to the NIT? They were talented enough easily to be an NCAA team. As you describe his talent and skills he should be a dominate player. But in reality he is a very good role player. Why would that change?

You referenced Millsap as a similar player. Millsap averaged 35 minutes, 19.6 ppg and 13.3 rpg in his last college season. He never averaged less than 12.4 rpg in college. Millsap is/was a bull of a player- 6'7" and 250 to 260.

Moultrie has averaged 8.2, 6.7 and 10.5 rpg. His 6'11" and 220-230 depending on the source you believe. He is likely to be overpowered at the NBA unlike Millsap.

In other words Millsap's worst season rebounding was much better than Moultrie's best. Sometimes the 'eyeball' test for effort and motor doesn't tell the whole story.

I agree it is possible that Moultrie could develop his offensive game, but that is expection not the norm. But it is very unlikely that he becomes a much better rebounder. And for a 6'11" great athlete .8 bpg is underwhelming. He able to hedge on ball screens is a valuable skill. But nothing about his stats scream star player in the making.

Note if you go the pace adjusted per 40 minutes- Moultrie's rebounding suffers even worse by comparison.
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1. Millsap played at Louisiania Tech, which is in a much easier conference than the SEC.
2. Yes, MSU royally ****ed up by not making the NCAA. They had every chance to do it, but failed too. Their team chemistry was poor and suffered greatly from it.
3. I never said "star", I said he could be a 3-time All-Star.
4. I'm not campaigning we draft him. Though, if we do decide to go big man with any our picks, I would take him over PJ3 or any other available big that is projected to be available past the 8th pick.
5. Alec Burks was really talented, why Colorado go to the NIT his final year?
6. Strength is not a concern for Moultrie. His hustle, speed, and athletic ability make up for strength (and he isn't even weak, he can hold his own against PF's in the NBA).
 
PKM said:
I don't know .. I like that situation better than having a below-average guy handling the ball every possession. Ideally, I would like an elite PG, obviously .. but if we can't get one, we need perimeter shooting and wings that can handle the ball.
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I am becoming more and more convinced that you draft BPA and you make adjustments to the style of team play with the roster that you have. At 8-12 I feel like Lillard and Marshall and even Rivers are a stretch. If Beal or another SG is the BPA when the Jazz draft then I would rather see that happen then reaching for a PG that we hope to be elite.

Would that translates into is the possibility that you don't have a superior ball-handler on the floor but that you have talent on the floor. That might also mean that the Jazz might not even have a ***gasp*** pg on the floor but three wing players that can handle the ball and can all run the offense if they need to.

I certainly like the idea of having a PG on the floor that is elite but I would still rather see BPA happen and make adjustments through trade of style of play.
 
Another thing for Moultire, he greatly improved his FT and 3pt shooting his sophomore year to his junior year. Great sign of his work ethic.


65% to 78% for FT's

and

22% to 44% for 3's.
 
Sorry, didn't know you're only allowed one video per post??

Anyway, another Miller vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1N6r-Gp3u5U
 
And another from this years blue/white scrimmage (just giving folks a feel for his game).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50FOwu4GwAU
 
Last one - Edit: By the way, over the last two seasons, Darius has shot just under 300 3pt shots and has connected on 42% of them.
one gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5UokGMiFDE
 
PKM said:
And another from this years blue/white scrimmage (just giving folks a feel for his game).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50FOwu4GwAU
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As a stickler for details, shouldn't they call it the Blue and Grey Game?
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
1. Millsap played at Louisiania Tech, which is in a much easier conference than the SEC.
2. Yes, MSU royally ****ed up by not making the NCAA. They had every chance to do it, but failed too. Their team chemistry was poor and suffered greatly from it.
3. I never said "star", I said he could be a 3-time All-Star.
4. I'm not campaigning we draft him. Though, if we do decide to go big man with any our picks, I would take him over PJ3 or any other available big that is projected to be available past the 8th pick.
5. Alec Burks was really talented, why Colorado go to the NIT his final year?
6. Strength is not a concern for Moultrie. His hustle, speed, and athletic ability make up for strength (and he isn't even weak, he can hold his own against PF's in the NBA).
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Millsap was far and away the most dominant player I saw in person while at USU. That list includes Andrew Bogut, Ramon Sessions, and Javale McGee.

But you're right, the SEC is a much higher level of competition than the WAC. You could tell though that guy was going to be an NBA player.
 
Honestly I don't see Miller falling to the jazz in the second round. I think someone will take him late first at the latest early second before the Jazz pick. I can see spurs or Lakers picking him late first round which would really suck.
 
kennykyle said:
Is Miller really a 2nd round guy? I just he his size, stats, skills, and I feel like he is a late first rounder.
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That's where he's mocked. I'm guessing he'll be anywhere from 35 to 50. Again, only reason he's not higher is he's taken a back seat to the other studs for 4 years. If he were to have a 'get mine' mentality, he would be mid-first, imo.
 
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