Following potential 2012 draftees
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He is definitely not a first option scorer. He is a defensive stalwart and an energy guy that fills the stat sheet. Think Pippen.
I will cry if the Jazz don't draft MKC. He has a good enough handle to become a good scorer in the NBA. The kid wants to improve so I think he will be a great player in the NBA. 19 rebounds for a backcourt player is crazy. I would take this kid number 1. I would be excited to get Davis too but MKC is my guy.
Here's a comparison between Gilchrist, Barnes, and QMiller against ranked opponents (separate out the pad-stuffing cupcake game);
Statistical leaders underlined.
Kidd-Gilchrist
PPG - 17.8
RPG - 12.0
APG - 1.5
SPG - 1.0 (tie)
BPG - 1.3
Barnes
PPG - 17.0
RPG - 2.5
APG - 0.0
SPG - 0.5
BPG - 0.5
QMiller
PPG - 12.0
RPG - 6.0
APG - 1.0
SPG - 1.0 (tie)
BPG - 0.0
Statistical leaders underlined.
Kidd-Gilchrist
PPG - 17.8
RPG - 12.0
APG - 1.5
SPG - 1.0 (tie)
BPG - 1.3
Barnes
PPG - 17.0
RPG - 2.5
APG - 0.0
SPG - 0.5
BPG - 0.5
QMiller
PPG - 12.0
RPG - 6.0
APG - 1.0
SPG - 1.0 (tie)
BPG - 0.0
I'm honestly just shocked that he isn't higher on mock draft boards at this point but maybe they aren't being updated regularly yet?
Honestly, I'll admit, his "ceiling" isn't as high as others but I'd say at this point he's about as "sure fire" of a draft pick that I've seen so far. I just cant see a kid like that NOT succeed at the next level. He's my #1 for the Jazz at this point, by a long shot.
Honestly, I'll admit, his "ceiling" isn't as high as others but I'd say at this point he's about as "sure fire" of a draft pick that I've seen so far. I just cant see a kid like that NOT succeed at the next level. He's my #1 for the Jazz at this point, by a long shot.
True about stats. One thing that doesn't show up is K-G's defense. If I had to rank them on a scale of 1 - 10, I'd go;
K-G - 9.5
Barnes - 7.5
QMiller - 6.0
ncoloradojazz
Banned
Pkm this is from someone who lives in kentucky bout your wildcats
I am from KY and hate everything about UofK. This is a school that named their arena after a racist, Adolph Rupp, that refused to recruit black players and he called UofL the blackbirds. Rupp recruited one black player in 1970 because he was pressured to by the president and that player left after one year because he was ostracized and treated differently. If the entire fanbase can forgive racism and go to Rupp arena every game and celebrate his legacy they can forget anything.
Their entire history has been one of cheating. They got what was basically a death penalty in 52-53 because of a point shaving incident during the preceding years. Then you get to Eddie Sutton who was playing players and it was during his tenure that the Embry Worldwide envelope with 1,000 in cash opened up that was on its way to a UofK recruit. But the funny thing about UofK fans is that they stand up for Squid because he was never named in any of the violations that occurred at UMASS or Memphis St but they all hate Sutton even though he was never named in any violations at UofK. I have family that are big UofK boosters and the stuff that goes on down there is sickening. I know for a fact that John Wall had a Mustang that was given to him by a booster. I also know that Terrence Jones' best friend magically got an academic scholarship and is driving a brand new Escalade. I don't know how anyone can cheer for them.
UofK fans are the biggest bunch of hypocrites in the country. They talk about leading the nation in wins but the majority of those wins and the championships under Rupp are tainted and should be stripped by the NCAA. I can't wait for the hammer to fall because it will and I along with the rest of the college bball fans will be laughing at all the stupid UofK fans.
I am from KY and hate everything about UofK. This is a school that named their arena after a racist, Adolph Rupp, that refused to recruit black players and he called UofL the blackbirds. Rupp recruited one black player in 1970 because he was pressured to by the president and that player left after one year because he was ostracized and treated differently. If the entire fanbase can forgive racism and go to Rupp arena every game and celebrate his legacy they can forget anything.
Their entire history has been one of cheating. They got what was basically a death penalty in 52-53 because of a point shaving incident during the preceding years. Then you get to Eddie Sutton who was playing players and it was during his tenure that the Embry Worldwide envelope with 1,000 in cash opened up that was on its way to a UofK recruit. But the funny thing about UofK fans is that they stand up for Squid because he was never named in any of the violations that occurred at UMASS or Memphis St but they all hate Sutton even though he was never named in any violations at UofK. I have family that are big UofK boosters and the stuff that goes on down there is sickening. I know for a fact that John Wall had a Mustang that was given to him by a booster. I also know that Terrence Jones' best friend magically got an academic scholarship and is driving a brand new Escalade. I don't know how anyone can cheer for them.
UofK fans are the biggest bunch of hypocrites in the country. They talk about leading the nation in wins but the majority of those wins and the championships under Rupp are tainted and should be stripped by the NCAA. I can't wait for the hammer to fall because it will and I along with the rest of the college bball fans will be laughing at all the stupid UofK fans.
*yawn*
And they suck at football.
Ouch, just kidding. Sooo true.
Ohhhhhhhh, buuuurrrrn!
Welcome to the south and history? Screw Bama too racist ********!!!
By the way, let's draft anyone on the Utes as I just seen they only lost by like 40 or 50 to Colorado!
BENTLEY
Well-Known Member
Sorry if this has been mentioned here already - I know there are some on here championing this kid - but I want more info on this Tony Wroten. I'm trying to get a little more educated on him. He's listed as a SG but I listened to an interview of him and he says he's a PG. He makes amazing passes but can score aplenty.
I really want the Jazz to upgrade at PG and so I'm looking at what the draft has to offer. But some say that there are no great PGs for the next few years. What about Kendall Marshall? Is he another Earl Watson or Mark Jackson? (I'd be fine with either).
But if Tony Wroten is a really a PG does he have the potential to be really special?
I really want the Jazz to upgrade at PG and so I'm looking at what the draft has to offer. But some say that there are no great PGs for the next few years. What about Kendall Marshall? Is he another Earl Watson or Mark Jackson? (I'd be fine with either).
But if Tony Wroten is a really a PG does he have the potential to be really special?
Obviously, opinions vary .. but here are mine on both Wroten and Marshall.
Kendall Marshall - Most likely the best PG prospect in this next draft class. A pinpoint passer and a steady influence on the court. Sub-par defender (not for a lack of desire, just physical limitations), sub-par shooter, and sub-par athleticism/speed are the reasons he's not a projected lottery pick. I've regularly expressed my concerns of him being NEITHER a good shot or having an explosive first-step. I'm a big believer that a PG needs one or the other. I may take Kandall as first PG, but there's enough causes of concern that makes him anything of a sure-bet.
Tony Wroten - Flashy passer. Great scoring instincts (not necessarily a great shooter, but scorer) and nice size along with athleticism. Has shown extremely limited growth in his game over the past two years (I'd call it no growth at all). I've watched Tony since he was a soph. in HS, was extremely high on him, but I've cooled as I've not seen any progress with cutting down TO's, over-penetrating, decision-making, shot, and some attitude as well. Great talent, questionable intangibles.
Of these two I take Kendall hands down.
utahjazz107
Active Member
I like Wroten a lot better than Marshall. The guy can score at will and he's a dangerously good passer and his ceiling is much higher than Marshall's.