Following potential 2012 draftees

[jazzfan1132]

yes, this is interesing how KOC play this year's draft, we defenetely need upgrade at PG position.
it looks like there are no mega PGs in two years, Kendal Marshal is interesting as M.Kabongo but will they play at star level like Rondo??? at this moment we tend to have two picks around 1-15, KOC seems to fall in love with Harris, but he can pack him with GS pick and try trade for someone R.Felton Ty Lawson even Rondo if available.

we will see

 

[Dr. Jones]

I like Wroten a lot better than Marshall. The guy can score at will and he's a dangerously good passer and his ceiling is much higher than Marshall's.

Yes, Wroten has a higher ceiling based on his scoring ability and better athleticism. I still take Kandell first because I like to know a guy will give everything, constantly work to get better, and make those around him better players. I've yet to see that with Tony.

 

[Gyp Rosetti]

For whom does Wroten play?

 

[Dr. Jones]

For whom does Wroten play?

Washington

 

[Dr. Jones]

Also, on Wroten, he's averaging better than 16ppg, but shooting only 25% from 3. (Like I said, scorer vs. shooter)
He's also averaging more TO's per game than assists (again, the decision-making, etc.).

I like Tony, I just see him as the classic tweener/combo rather than a pure PG.

 

[Dr. Jones]

One more factoid, as I like to look at ranked opponents vs. cupcakes. Wroten scores against competition, but against those same ranked opponents, he's had only 3 assists and 8 TO's.

I smell SG trying to convince the NBA he's a PG.

 

[orangello]

I smell SG trying to convince the NBA he's a PG.

Isn't that what Westbrook is? I have him on a fantasy team and he is killing me in the Ast to Turn ratio.

 

[spycam1]

One more factoid, as I like to look at ranked opponents vs. cupcakes. Wroten scores against competition, but against those same ranked opponents, he's had only 3 assists and 8 TO's.

I smell SG trying to convince the NBA he's a PG.

Poor man's Tryreke Evans maybe?

 

[Dr. Jones]

Poor man's Tryreke Evans maybe?

Not bad.

 

[orangello]

Not bad.

That completely turned me off to him. Evans in nearly unwatchable because he doesn't use teammates at all.

 

[Stoked]

That completely turned me off to him. Evans in nearly unwatchable because he doesn't use teammates at all.

Then he would fit right in with Big Al and Howard lol.

 

[Fakers Luck]

I've probably said this before, but based upon my experience with KOC's previous drafts, the Jazz will always take the player who is the most refined offensively at a position of need. I have a hard time seeing any scenario where the Jazz select MKG in this draft unless he drops below his projected range and the Jazz have no choice (think Ronnie Brewer).

I could go down the list of offensively-minded players the Jazz drafted ahead of “defensive” or “energy” guys. Kosta (Ibaka/DeAndre Jordan), Burks (Singleton/Leonard) and G-Time (Patterson/Aldrich) come to mind, but it’s pretty obvious to me that there has always been a pattern. I’d love to finally get a player like MKG, but to keep it real, we’ll probably end up with a Quincy Miller or Harrison Barnes.

 

[Dr. Jones]

I've probably said this before, but based upon my experience with KOC's previous drafts, the Jazz will always take the player who is the most refined offensively at a position of need. I have a hard time seeing any scenario where the Jazz select MKG in this draft unless he drops below his projected range and the Jazz have no choice (think Ronnie Brewer).

I could go down the list of offensively-minded players the Jazz drafted ahead of “defensive” or “energy” guys. Kosta (Ibaka/DeAndre Jordan), Burks (Singleton/Leonard) and G-Time (Patterson/Aldrich) come to mind, but it’s pretty obvious to me that there has always been a pattern. I’d love to finally get a player like MKG, but to keep it real, we’ll probably end up with a Quincy Miller or Harrison Barnes.

If that's true, pray for Barnes .. I think Miller has flop potential (even though he has unreal ability).

 

[Dr. Jones]

I've probably said this before, but based upon my experience with KOC's previous drafts, the Jazz will always take the player who is the most refined offensively at a position of need. I have a hard time seeing any scenario where the Jazz select MKG in this draft unless he drops below his projected range and the Jazz have no choice (think Ronnie Brewer).

I could go down the list of offensively-minded players the Jazz drafted ahead of “defensive” or “energy” guys. Kosta (Ibaka/DeAndre Jordan), Burks (Singleton/Leonard) and G-Time (Patterson/Aldrich) come to mind, but it’s pretty obvious to me that there has always been a pattern. I’d love to finally get a player like MKG, but to keep it real, we’ll probably end up with a Quincy Miller or Harrison Barnes.

Also depends on how one defines 'offensively refined.' Barnes can shoot from the perimeter the best of the SF's (and I project him to transition well in that regard), but he has shown almost no ability of creating his own shot. Barnes passes the novice look test, but scouts are expressing concern over his lack of scoring repertoire.

Gilchrist scores the most of all the SF's when playing ranked opponents, scores from everywhere on the court, but is the least effective shooting it from behind the arc.

Just pointing these things out to ask the question, "what would be the Jazz' definition of being offensively refined?"

 

[NCJazz]

Also depends on how one defines 'offensively refined.' Barnes can shoot from the perimeter the best of the SF's (and I project him to transition well in that regard), but he has shown almost no ability of creating his own shot. Barnes passes the novice look test, but scouts are expressing concern over his lack of scoring repertoire.

Gilchrist scores the most of all the SF's when playing ranked opponents, scores from everywhere on the court, but is the least effective shooting it from behind the arc.

Just pointing these things out to ask the question, "what would be the Jazz' definition of being offensively refined?"

i admit Carolina has played a lot patsies lately so I think next game against a good opponent it will be interesting to see what kind of defense Barnes player. Never really payed attention on the defensive end.

 

[Dr. Jones]

i admit Carolina has played a lot patsies lately so I think next game against a good opponent it will be interesting to see what kind of defense Barnes player. Never really payed attention on the defensive end.

I've been somewhat impressed with Barnes' defense. Not elite, but sufficient, imo. The bigger concern is his lack of driving/slashing ability and creating his own shot. That's what the scouts are watching for the most.

 

[BENTLEY]

I have a hard time seeing any scenario where the Jazz select MKG in this draft unless he drops below his projected range and the Jazz have no choice (think Ronnie Brewer).

Oh please be wrong.

I’d love to finally get a player like MKG, but to keep it real, we’ll probably end up with a Quincy Miller or Harrison Barnes.

"end up with" Harrison Barnes? I like MKG a lot but I also like Barnes too. I haven't decided which one I'd take, if given the choice. I expect the Jazz will probably be left with only one of them, rather than both. That's fine with me as long as KOC takes him.

 

[Fakers Luck]

"end up with" Harrison Barnes? I like MKG a lot but I also like Barnes too. I haven't decided which one I'd take, if given the choice. I expect the Jazz will probably be left with only one of them, rather than both. That's fine with me as long as KOC takes him.

I didn't mean for Barnes to sound like a boobie prize. He would be a nice fit for this Jazz squad who desperately needs shooting, but I tend to agree with those who see him as more of a spot-up shooter, rather than a Dwayne Wade type who gets to the rim and puts a ton of pressure on defenses. If the Jazz draft that high, I'm just hoping for a superstar.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

If that's true, pray for Barnes .. I think Miller has flop potential (even though he has unreal ability).

I like the way Barnes fits in with what may be the future of the team. If Hayward is to be a ball handling, play making SG, Barnes would compliment him as a spot up shooter who can score from anywhere on the court in a variety of ways (they may not all be efficient as of now, but he appears to have a lot of moves). He is also a pretty good defender who has the body to handle power SF's.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I also view Barnes as the most offensively mature player in the draft. It seems like he could come in right away and average 12-15 ppg and start. I think that would be important because our team is so young we don't really need anymore project players. That would be my one fear in getting Miller.