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Following potential 2012 draftees

Cyrone Torbin said:
Word. Gilchrist reminds me of Ronnie Brewer during his college years. Brewer was actually a way better ballhandler/passer though. He will most likely be better than Brewer because his shot isn't as bad, but I still think he will need the right offensive system/PG to succeed at a high level.

I think I even posted an old draft description of Brewer's that read identical to the current ones on MKG.
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Brewer is currently leading in the NBA in 3PT% lol.
 
While I agree that the Jazz need more shooting for the future, I'm sick of this line of thinking that just because someone can't shoot that means they'll never amount to anything more than Brewer has...

Career 3PT%

Michael Jordan (32%)
Grant Hill (31%)
Dwyane Wade (29%)
Scottie Pippen (32%)
Lebron James (33%)

What made them great? Competitive FIRE; the desire to be better than everyone else and the work ethic to actually accomplish that; freakish athleticism; the desire to make everyone around them better; being multidimensional players. I see all of the above in Kidd-Gilchrist. No, I don't necessarily think he'll be in the same category as the players listed above, but I think all those traits will at least make an All-Star. All-Star caliber player seems more likely to me than Brewer-ish.
 
spycam1 said:
While I agree that the Jazz need more shooting for the future, I'm sick of this line of thinking that just because someone can't shoot that means they'll never amount to anything more than Brewer has...

Career 3PT%

Michael Jordan (32%)
Grant Hill (31%)
Dwyane Wade (29%)
Scottie Pippen (32%)
Lebron James (33%)

What made them great? Competitive FIRE; the desire to be better than everyone else and the work ethic to actually accomplish that; freakish athleticism; the desire to make everyone around them better; being multidimensional players. I see all of the above in Kidd-Gilchrist. No, I don't necessarily think he'll be in the same category as the players listed above, but I think all those traits will at least make an All-Star. All-Star caliber player seems more likely to me than Brewer-ish.
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Holy **** great post!!!
 
NUMBERICA said:
One huge issue in projecting Gilchrist as a prospect on the Jazz is his shooting. The Jazz already have way too many 4s for him to play there and have too much of a need at 3 anyway. Of the 4 untouchables right now, only Hayward looks like he could be a legit floor-spreader with Kanter probably having a better shot than Burks but needing way more time and opportunities if that is to ever come to fruition.

If you imagine a future lineup of Harris at 30+, Hayward or Burks, Gilchrist, Favors, and Kanter in a serious game, prepare for a brick-fest as the D will just zone and/or collapse and the Jazz won't be able to do anything about it in the half-court. The Jazz have three pressing needs:

1) a pure PG that can shoot.
2) a real SF that can shoot.
3) shooting anywhere they can find it.

I have no faith that Gilchrist with that awful hitch in his shot and pedestrian (that's being kind) results in the NCAA will be able to suddenly become Reggie Miller.

However if Kanter becomes Rasheed Wallace (offensively, without the crazy) and Burks becomes Kevin Martin, then this is much less of an issue. I'm not terribly confident either of those things - let alone both - happen.
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These are all very good points.
 
spycam1 said:
While I agree that the Jazz need more shooting for the future, I'm sick of this line of thinking that just because someone can't shoot that means they'll never amount to anything more than Brewer has...

Career 3PT%

Michael Jordan (32%)
Grant Hill (31%)
Dwyane Wade (29%)
Scottie Pippen (32%)
Lebron James (33%)

What made them great? Competitive FIRE; the desire to be better than everyone else and the work ethic to actually accomplish that; freakish athleticism; the desire to make everyone around them better; being multidimensional players. I see all of the above in Kidd-Gilchrist. No, I don't necessarily think he'll be in the same category as the players listed above, but I think all those traits will at least make an All-Star. All-Star caliber player seems more likely to me than Brewer-ish.
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More like supreme athletic ability and skills.
 
spycam1 said:
While I agree that the Jazz need more shooting for the future, I'm sick of this line of thinking that just because someone can't shoot that means they'll never amount to anything more than Brewer has...

Career 3PT%

Michael Jordan (32%)
Grant Hill (31%)
Dwyane Wade (29%)
Scottie Pippen (32%)
Lebron James (33%)

What made them great? Competitive FIRE; the desire to be better than everyone else and the work ethic to actually accomplish that; freakish athleticism; the desire to make everyone around them better; being multidimensional players. I see all of the above in Kidd-Gilchrist. No, I don't necessarily think he'll be in the same category as the players listed above, but I think all those traits will at least make an All-Star. All-Star caliber player seems more likely to me than Brewer-ish.
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Okay, but these are some of the greatest athletes in the league, ever. They had quickness, handles, explosiveness, strength, etc. They make up for their lack of stroke.
 
I'm bored of this SF and PG talk. Let's talk SG's...

Right now I'd probably rank them: Beal, J-Lamb, Rivers. All three seem like they will be good shooters which we definitely need.
 
spycam1 said:
I'm bored of this SF and PG talk. Let's talk SG's...

Right now I'd probably rank them: Beal, J-Lamb, Rivers. All three seem like they will be good shooters which we definitely need.
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IMO Lamb is really good and underrated. He looks like a rich man Richard Hamilton due to his ability to hit 3's but his mid range game mimics Rip's.
 
spycam1 said:
While I agree that the Jazz need more shooting for the future, I'm sick of this line of thinking that just because someone can't shoot that means they'll never amount to anything more than Brewer has...

Career 3PT%

Michael Jordan (32%)
Grant Hill (31%)
Dwyane Wade (29%)
Scottie Pippen (32%)
Lebron James (33%)

What made them great? Competitive FIRE; the desire to be better than everyone else and the work ethic to actually accomplish that; freakish athleticism; the desire to make everyone around them better; being multidimensional players. I see all of the above in Kidd-Gilchrist. No, I don't necessarily think he'll be in the same category as the players listed above, but I think all those traits will at least make an All-Star. All-Star caliber player seems more likely to me than Brewer-ish.
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You know what helped them? TEAMMATES that could spread the floor. This isn't about the individual. Gilchrist with other floor-spreaders would be great, but the Jazz don't have really anyone like that (not so long as Hayward is looking extremely mortal so far).
 
I am with spycam1 as far as MKG goes. Sometimes people draw their conclusion without thinking does this guy have the drive and talent to become better. YES!!! That is why drafting simply for talent usually ends up being the problem. I know it is hard to determine if a guy is just talking or if he actually wants to get better. However, I think if you watch a player and he exhibits great work habits and has the talent then the chances are going to be that he gets better. Does the guy fold up when the pressure gets intense? Does he work on his game when others are not? Look at Magic Johnson, he was not a very good shooter coming out of Michigan State but as his career progressed he was a decent shooter. Just watching Magic you could tell he loved the game and wanted to get better. Stockton and Malone were the same way. Look at Karl's FTs, he shout 48% as a rookie and at the end of his career he shot in the high 70s and might have enven top 80% at one time.

Look at AK, all the talent in the world but no drive. Shaq could have been greater if he had worked harder. All the talent but not a great work ethic. I have already seen a big improvement in MKG since I first saw him play for the USA Junior team. He definitely needs to work/prove he can make shots off the dribble to be an elite player but I just believe that he can be special if he continues to work at his game.
 
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