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As I watched the game, I couldn't help but noticed that it seemed Miller's teammates just didn't want to pass him the ball. Not sure if it's because they see him as a ballhog, or he makes bad decisions, or just my imagination ..

EDIT: Incidentally, Miller wanted to play for UK. Calipari went and watched him twice. The 2nd time, Cal left the gym in the first half and when asked why he did, he said he wasn't interested in 'me first' players. That was 3 years ago, but I still find it interesting.

I noticed the same thing. It's like they're making a point of ignoring him. Maybe he's a dick or something. Maybe he sleeps with his teammate's girlfriends and they're getting even by pretending he's not there. But as far as being selfish I see him pass the ball plenty - at the top of the key. I really don't know what to make of him, which sucks 'cause he might be the best SF prospect in the Jazz' range. Although he may be falling near second round territory.
 
As I watched the game, I couldn't help but noticed that it seemed Miller's teammates just didn't want to pass him the ball. Not sure if it's because they see him as a ballhog, or he makes bad decisions, or just my imagination ..

EDIT: Incidentally, Miller wanted to play for UK. Calipari went and watched him twice. The 2nd time, Cal left the gym in the first half and when asked why he did, he said he wasn't interested in 'me first' players. That was 3 years ago, but I still find it interesting.

I don't see Miller as a selfish player. It is his teammates who seem selfish. Miller needs to get stronger. He gets pushed around when he takes it to the rim. Acy and Jackson and Heslip seem to hog the ball. It will be interesting to see if Miller and Jones step it up against better competition. I don't see UK losing unless they don't shoot well. Baylor has to play an entire game like they did in the first 10 minutes of the Xavier game to have a chance. I am going to watch it and do some scouting. MKG stepped up big time which I didn't want him to do because he had struggled in the tournament and I thought if he continued to do so he might drop a bit. I like him over Barnes and Miller even though he is a worse shooter. He can get to the rim, rebounds like a PF, and you never have to worry about his effort. I think he will improve his game when he gets to the pros. Unfortunately, the Jazz have zero shot of getting him with the GS pick and it looks like they won't have their own pick.

I am glad to hear that both MKG and Rivers are entering the draft. There were some reports that both were going back to school. When you pick at the end or middle of the lottery, it helps when all the guys above remain in the draft. I am just hoping the Jazz get the GS pick.
 
The Jazz will be present for the UK vs. Baylor game. I'm curious to see whether they're scouting the lottery or the 2nd round .. likely both, I'm sure.
 
The Jazz will be present for the UK vs. Baylor game. I'm curious to see whether they're scouting the lottery or the 2nd round .. likely both, I'm sure.

Pretty sure it has more to do with the fact that it's not terribly common to be able to see a game that is mostly comprised of potential NBA players on both teams. It's just an efficient and good opportunity.
 
Pretty sure it has more to do with the fact that it's not terribly common to be able to see a game that is mostly comprised of potential NBA players on both teams. It's just an efficient and good opportunity.

Certainly true. I guess I'll just be interested to see if there's anyone in particular they're watching. MKG vs. QMiller will be a good matchup, as will Davis vs. PJ3, and Teague vs. Jackson.
 
As I watched the game, I couldn't help but noticed that it seemed Miller's teammates just didn't want to pass him the ball. Not sure if it's because they see him as a ballhog, or he makes bad decisions, or just my imagination ..

EDIT: Incidentally, Miller wanted to play for UK. Calipari went and watched him twice. The 2nd time, Cal left the gym in the first half and when asked why he did, he said he wasn't interested in 'me first' players. That was 3 years ago, but I still find it interesting.
Just speculating, but is it possible he is a bad locker room personality.
 
PKM, what do you think of Walker? I know he's only 5-8 but could he be an option for the jazz in the second round? Thomas has worked great for the Kings this year. What do you think?
 
PKM, what do you think of Walker? I know he's only 5-8 but could he be an option for the jazz in the second round? Thomas has worked great for the Kings this year. What do you think?

It was no surprise, to me, to see Thomas doing well in the NBA. He was an occassional 50+ point scorer in HS and was impressive at Washington. Irving Walker doesn't have the 'it' of Thomas. I don't see Walker as even a back-up. The one that did surprise he had to head overseas is Devan Downey. I thought he would be a VERY good backup .. I think he just never got an adequate shot.
 
It was no surprise, to me, to see Thomas doing well in the NBA. He was an occassional 50+ point scorer in HS and was impressive at Washington. Irving Walker doesn't have the 'it' of Thomas. I don't see Walker as even a back-up. The one that did surprise he had to head overseas is Devan Downey. I thought he would be a VERY good backup .. I think he just never got an adequate shot.
Thanks.
 
Log and Pwna, what do you guys think of Quincy Acy and Kenny Frease? I was impressed with both yesterday and wouldn't be mad with a 2nd round pick or summer league invites.

Acy-undersized PF @ 6'7" but he plays much bigger. Insanely intense and plenty athletic. His motor runs as fast and long as any.

Frease-huge dude. 7'0" and looks all of it. Reasonable speed for a guy that big. Nice shooting touch. Would knock Fesenko on his ***.
 
Log and Pwna, what do you guys think of Quincy Acy and Kenny Frease? I was impressed with both yesterday and wouldn't be mad with a 2nd round pick or summer league invites.

Acy-undersized PF @ 6'7" but he plays much bigger. Insanely intense and plenty athletic. His motor runs as fast and long as any.

Frease-huge dude. 7'0" and looks all of it. Reasonable speed for a guy that big. Nice shooting touch. Would knock Fesenko on his ***.

I like Acy. Haven't seen too much of Frease expect that he is a huge boulder. Can he keep up with NBA bigs?
 
I like Acy. Haven't seen too much of Frease expect that he is a huge boulder. Can he keep up with NBA bigs?

He doesn't look slow to me. It also looks like he has a good head after watching that brawl. He tried to break it up and got clocked hard, then decided to just walk (stumble) away.
 
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Log and Pwna, what do you guys think of Quincy Acy and Kenny Frease? I was impressed with both yesterday and wouldn't be mad with a 2nd round pick or summer league invites.

Acy-undersized PF @ 6'7" but he plays much bigger. Insanely intense and plenty athletic. His motor runs as fast and long as any.

Frease-huge dude. 7'0" and looks all of it. Reasonable speed for a guy that big. Nice shooting touch. Would knock Fesenko on his ***.

Acy reminds me of the Hawks backup pf with the name of Ivan, I think he is an undrafted free agent, very intense player with an amazing motor, similar Hight and build, and has been a good bench player. Had his first game vs. the heat and went nuts.
 
Tony Mitchell Article

This article helps Mantooth's Tony Mitchell campaign.
I've been kinda frustrated with Q. Miller and am having a hard time rekindling my hopes for a good SF outta this draft. That's why I went hunting for more on this guy. Dunno if he stays another year in school or comes out now but until we know, this guy should be in the discussion.
https://espn.go.com/dallas/story/_/id/7635882/north-texas-mean-green-forward-tony-mitchell-creating-buzz-nba-circles

Tony Mitchell creating buzz at UNT
Freshman is bound to be Mean Green's first NBA player, it's just a matter of when
Updated: March 3, 2012, 1:49 PM ET
By Tim MacMahon | ESPNDallas.com


DENTON, Texas -- Twenty-one NBA scouts and front office men packed the press row at the Super Pit for North Texas' home game against Sun Belt-leading Middle Tennessee.

Under the previous coaching regime, that would have passed as a pretty good crowd for a Mean Green basketball game.

North Texas has made amazing progress in coach Johnny Jones' 11 seasons. He inherited a program that won a total of 20 games in the previous four seasons; the Mean Green have at least 20 wins in each of the last five seasons, which include a couple of NCAA tournament appearances.

There's never been more buzz about North Texas basketball than now, even though this is somewhat of a rebuilding season for the 16-13 Mean Green, who open the Sun Belt tournament Sunday against Louisiana-Lafayette in Hot Springs, Ark. That's because North Texas has never had a talent like freshman phenom Tony Mitchell.

It's all but certain that Mitchell, a 6-foot-8, 235-pound forward with a 41-inch vertical leap and 7-foot-4 wingspan, will become the first North Texas product to play in the NBA since the 1970s. It's a matter of when.

If Mitchell wants, he can make a one-and-done leap to the league, where he projects as a fringe first-round pick if he declares for this year's draft.

"There's no limit to how good he can be," Jones said. "He has the potential to be a high lottery pick in the right time."

That's not just the spin of a coach who wants his most talented player to stick around at least another season. It was the consensus opinion of several scouts surveyed about Mitchell, who has played only one semester of college basketball, paying his own way for a year at North Texas after he couldn't enroll at Missouri because the NCAA ruled him an academic nonqualifier.

Mitchell was a consensus top-20 recruit after attending four high schools in three states. That journey included spending his junior year at Center of Life Academy in Florida, a charter school where he took five unaccredited classes that caused his issues with the NCAA.

However, Mitchell feels like he's found a home at North Texas, which was his fallback plan when he committed to Missouri as a high school senior at Dallas Pinkston.

The Vote4Tony campaign, a shtick-filled push by the Mean Green marketing folks, complete with stickers worn by fans, kiddingly attempts to persuade Mitchell to stay in school for all four seasons.

"That's ridiculous," Mitchell's mother, Angie, said in a rather serious tone.

“There's no limit to how good he can be. He has the potential to be a high lottery pick in the right time.” -- UNT coach Johnny Jones on Tony Mitchell

Realistically, the hope is that Mitchell spends one more year at North Texas.

Mitchell, a first-team All-Sun Belt selection and the league's freshman of the year after averaging 15.3 points, 10.9 rebounds and 2.9 blocks per game, hasn't made a decision about the draft. However, he's leaning toward returning to school, spending much more time talking about the Mean Green's potential next season than the NBA.

If Mitchell returns, the entire North Texas rotation will be back next year. The Mean Green are also adding John Odoh, a shot-blocking, glass-cleaning 6-foot-11, 240-pound junior college big man whose presence will allow Mitchell to play much more on the perimeter, putting him in position to develop the ballhandling skills that scouts want to see.

Mitchell also looks forward to playing a full season with point guard Chris Jones and swingman Jordan Williams. The two freshmen were the Mean Green's leading scorers before Mitchell became eligible, but flunked out after the first semester. Jones and Williams are on course to be back next season, which has Mitchell thinking about the Mean Green as a legitimate March Madness threat.

"We have the potential to be a top 25 team in the nation," Mitchell said. "We talk about that like every day. I'm very excited. ... The league is not going nowhere no time soon."

Mitchell also seems to understand that waiting at least another year could be a wise financial decision.

It's hard to envision the 19-year-old falling out of the first round now because he's such an intriguing prospect. It's likely that an established contender would take a flier on the high flier around the bottom of the first round as a developmental project.

It's noteworthy that Oklahoma City Thunder general manager Sam Presti, San Antonio Spurs vice president of basketball operations Danny Ferry and two Dallas Mavericks scouts were among the NBA horde at the Super Pit in the two-point loss to Middle Tennessee, when Mitchell missed a potential tying tip-in high above the rim in the final seconds.

When asked whether Mitchell's athleticism reminded him of anyone, one scout laughed and said Blake Griffin. Jones, a former LSU point guard, mentions a guy he played against at Georgia named Dominique Wilkins. Another scout compared Mitchell's athleticism and style to a young Shawn Marion.

"You can't teach athleticism and length," a scout said. "And he has all you could want of those two things. But he's raw."

Mitchell is an above-the-rim highlight waiting to happen and has impressive shooting range (43.2 percent on 3-pointers), but there are a lot of gaps in his offensive game. Scouts said he needs to develop an off-the-dribble and back-to-the-basket arsenal. They also mention that they'd like to see his overall court awareness improve, which should come with more seasoning.

"We feel that our time with him could be numbered," Jones said, "so we want to do everything we possibly can to make sure he's the best he can possibly be."

Mitchell, who Jones describes as incredibly low maintenance, and his inner circle understand that he's far from a finished product. Nick Smith, the coach at Pinkston whom Mitchell considers an advisor, calls it a win-win situation for Mitchell and North Texas if he returns to the Mean Green.

Angie Mitchell isn't ready to go quite that far, saying that she'll discuss options with her son at some point after the season. She demands that Tony get his degree in sociology, but the plan is for him to be in the NBA when he graduates.

Whether Mitchell declares for the draft will be a business decision, based in part on his basketball development.

"He's pretty much halfway there," Mitchell's mother said. "I think he has a lot of work to do."

Halfway there? That sounds good for those hoping that NBA scouts will swarm the Super Pit again next season to see Mitchell.

There's a chance, however, that North Texas' first modern-day NBA player will wear a Mean Green uniform for the final time over the next few days in Hot Springs.

Tim MacMahon is a reporter and columnist for ESPNDallas.com.
 
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