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sgjazzfan said:
How good of a defender is he? Would he automatically guard the best wing player, or just good enough to not get owned by average players?
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He's got very high bbIQ and was the best athlete for UK this year. He, at times, would guard the opposing teams point, sg, sf, or pf. He was considered 2nd best guard/wing defender on the team to MKG. I think he would at least hold his own .. but wouldn't call him a lockdown defender at the next level.
 
PKM said:
No, he got playing time. There are two reasons, imo. First, he's a senior .. Second, he doesn't have the assassin mentality. He defers to his teammates more than Barnes. This makes Barnes more valuable because you want your good shooters .. well .. shooting the ball. In the last 20 games of the season, DMIller shot almost 10% better from 3 than Barnes, but he's still too passive on defense. NOT lazy, just less confident/too unselfish.
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Could it be argued that he did that against lesser opponents (i.e., subs, rather than starters)?
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Could it be argued that he did that against lesser opponents (i.e., subs, rather than starters)?
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Nope. He played almost 30 minutes per game. What could be said, though, is that Barnes was always more keyed on by opposing defenses .. even though every team UK played had a scouting report that said you could not leave Lamb or Miller to shoot the ball. No question, though, that Barnes got far more attention.
 
Just noticed my post count. Just wanted to say ..

Cyrone.

Edit: Oops. Now that my post count has changed, this makes no sense.
 
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Well, Barnes can't create his own shot. So what you've got is a spot up shooter that's really confident. Who doesn't play much defense.
Miller is much less confident but still hits his shots at the same percentage. AND he plays defense. Seems like more of a complete player. + you also get to gamble on Marshall being the Jazz' PG of the future.

Are we drafting Barnes to be the #1 option? Or do we just need a shooter? In the Jazz offense I think Miller would be great.
 
BENTLEY said:
Well, Barnes can't create his own shot. So what you've got is a spot up shooter that's really confident. Who doesn't play much defense.
Miller is much less confident but still hits his shots at the same percentage. AND he plays defense. Seems like more of a complete player. + you also get to gamble on Marshall being the Jazz' PG of the future.

Are we drafting Barnes to be the #1 option? Or do we just need a shooter? In the Jazz offense I think Miller would be great.
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- Barnes does play better defense than most give him credit for, but still inferior to average NBA wings, imo.
- Barnes would definitely not be being drafted as the #1 scoring option, but rather a floor-spreader, imo.
 
If PJ3 can play SF then I would take him over Barnes at 8. I doubt Barnes will still be their at 8. I just think Barnes is one-dimensional and his lack of passing and his average dribbling skills bother me. The only way the Jazz gets Darius Miller in the second round is if SA passes on him which I doubt they do. He seems like a SA type player. PKM who is the better pro prospect Miller or Lamb?
 
cowhide said:
If PJ3 can play SF then I would take him over Barnes at 8. I doubt Barnes will still be their at 8. I just think Barnes is one-dimensional and his lack of passing and his average dribbling skills bother me. The only way the Jazz gets Darius Miller in the second round is if SA passes on him which I doubt they do. He seems like a SA type player. PKM who is the better pro prospect Miller or Lamb?
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I'd take Miller over Lamb. Lamb can score, but is below-average athletically. Lamb does have high bbIQ, is a very good bb player, but too limited otherwise.
 
If it was anybody else on any other team where you could say that he's the "best defender, best athlete, best shooter" and all that stuff, and he was still a 6th man during his senior year, you would say that there's something wrong with him.
 
Hantlers said:
If it was anybody else on any other team where you could say that he's the "best defender, best athlete, best shooter" and all that stuff, and he was still a 6th man during his senior year, you would say that there's something wrong with him.
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In fairness I said he was the;
"2nd best guard/wing defender to MKG"
"best athlete on the team"
Never said he was the best shooter on the team, but I'd say it was DLamb #1 and DMiller/Wiltjer #2a/b.
 
any discussion of DMiller, Crowder, Machado, or JJenkins is likely to make me slightly ill... I think at least 2 of those guys will be solid rotational players in the league + I'm still convinced there were second-round picks for Howard and Miles (and maybe Bell) but KOC was playing it conservative because of injury risk (ironic that these jazz players were the exact players to go down with injury).

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spycam1 said:
Yup. I want guys to spread the floor, and I'm sorry, but Millsap just doesn't do that. When was the last time he even attempted a three? I'd much rather have a pure SF, then just stand pat with Millsap there.
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One thing I love about Millsap is how he's evolved over the years as a player. Millsap went from strictly being a pf, energy guy, rebounder, no jumpshot player to having a sweet J and guard skills. Every year he seems to develop something new. Is it a stretch to say he could become a floor spacer, and develop his three point shot into a weapon in his arsenal?
PKM said:
How about trading our #8 to Charlotte for their 2nd rounder in '12 and their first rounder in '13?

They could pick up Davis and another stud at #8. We could pick up DMiller and give us another year to evaluate our roster and know what we need to pick up in the lottery next year.
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I kinda like that idea, but let me add to that, with them drafting Kemba Walker, does that make Augustin available? I wouldn't mind adding him. Harris and Augustin could get some minutes together. It's possible Charlotte could be the worst team next year as well. I like that trade.
BENTLEY said:
Do you think Miller will last to the second round?
Also, I think they gotta sweeten it a bit. It's a #8 pick in a draft that is widely considered strong.
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possibly getting the #1 pick isn't sweet enough? Getting a potential superstar would be well worth it.
Hotttnickkk said:
Has to be Barnes. In the half court, you dump the ball into Big Al, Millsap, Favors, I don't see how you can greatly improve the way you do that. Our bread and butter play is Harris dribble up, Hayward comes off the curl receives the ball and dump it into the post. It's not even the PG who does that.

On the other hand with Barnes & Hayward in the wings - we're locked in for the next 5 years! Barnes' 3pt shooting will spread the floor for our bigs big time. Double Al/Millsap/Favors and he shoots a 3pt. You don't double Al et al, and it's a free 2pt.
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if we pick Marshall, our best play will be Favors slashing to the hoop for a dunk or layup instead of post up. It also helps the overall team shooting %. Marshall just makes the offense that much better and more consistent. I want to get back to pick'n roll offense. Jefferson would be decent in pick'n pop plays.
Hotttnickkk said:
... so the only reason Miller isn't in the lotto is playing time?!?!
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No. PKM has stated many times he doesn't have a scorers mentality, and defers too much. But it's a shame that in today's NBA a player with good offense and bad defense is considered a good player, while a player limited on offense but a good or great defender is considered average. To me there was nothing average about his game at Kentucky. Miller had an above average year. He is the best 4th or 5th option I've ever seen on one of the more talented teams I've seen in a while.

I jumped completely off the Barnes bandwagon after the tournament. For me there are too many red flags in his game to even justify risking the 8th pick. I'd rather take Miller with the 20th pick then Barnes with the 8th pick.
 
I am at an utter loss for words. The Spurs are going to draft Darius Miller as well. We are just ****ed in every single way possible. Zero 1st round picks; **** me.
 
It's not over yet boys. The Raptors are going to land themselves a nice little 3rd overall pick and Stern will be smiling the whole time.
 
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