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I think Kanter was our 4th big, but I agree on Wolters. I don't understand the fascination with him and don't think he's a first round talent. I'm just not sure we are going to find a point guard in this draft. Burke is the only guy who I think will be an effective starter, and maybe McCollum, but they will both be long gone. Carter-Williams can't shoot and I'm not sure Schroeder can either. He seems to struggle with his mid-range game. There's a lot to like about him but he doesn't elevate much on his shots and that really concerns me. Maybe the mid-range game will come with time.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
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OK I know you meant well and all that. But with all due respect, if we're gonna use our #14 pick on a 4th big, I just might go find the nearest bridge and jump off it. A 4th big is really what Evans played for us this year. He only played in garbage time.

Also I see Wolters being similar to Jimmer... and that's really a 3rd PG in this league..
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Except he is a true pg where as the Jimmer is more of a combo guard. Wolters will be 10 times more successful then Jimmer in the league because he has a true position.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
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OK I know you meant well and all that. But with all due respect, if we're gonna use our #14 pick on a 4th big, I just might go find the nearest bridge and jump off it. A 4th big is really what Evans played for us this year. He only played in garbage time.

Also I see Wolters being similar to Jimmer... and that's really a 3rd PG in this league..
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This... and I'm not that high Dieng and there is no way he'd be BPA at 14.
I'd love to get Bledsoe.. but I don't see how we get him in idiot's scenario.
 
I don't get the love for Wolters. I realize we need a PG, but he's a mediocre talent. You don't fix crap by throwing more crap on it.
 
Hantlers said:
I don't get the love for Wolters. I realize we need a PG, but he's a mediocre talent. You don't fix crap by throwing more crap on it.
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This post is the first time I've ever typed the name Wolters.

Having saif that.. not too many here appear, to me, to be 'in love' with anyone in the draft.. that are within our ranges. I think you're just seeing people put together their wish lists and trying to get excited about something.. since we gotta pick anyway.
 
This post is from Wes (regarding Schroder).

Why the hell do so many people want this kid with our own 1st rounder? I've never seen somebody so quick with so little jumping ability. Watch every highlight. He blows by someone or starts to, and begins his flight (I'm using that term loosely), only to get no more than three or four inches off the ground. Pathetic. He can blow by guys all he wants in the NBA. It won't matter because he'll get his **** blocked every time. He's basically Brandon Jennings with even less ability to finish/jump. You think Jennings' efficiency sucks? This kid's shooting 33% in a mediocre league. There's no way I'd touch this kid with a first round pick.
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We aren't getting Wolters. He isn't good enough to go 21, and he is probably gone before our 2nd round pick.
 
wolters could be had by buying a late first but he will go first round. wonderful work ethic and everything I hear is that scouts and gms love the kid. I would not complain with him at 21.

schröder I want at 14. I agree he doesn't have a lot of lift. I wonder about his work ethic the most. I do t know what it is.
 
Xthren said:
wolters could be had by buying a late first but he will go first round. wonderful work ethic and everything I hear is that scouts and gms love the kid. I would not complain with him at 21.

schröder I want at 14. I agree he doesn't have a lot of lift. I wonder about his work ethic the most. I do t know what it is.
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He won't go 1st round.
 
I think we have to get the best guard or perimeter player we can at #14. There are a few decent bigs in that range, and I think Olynyk will be a decent commodity in the league, but a back-up big is something most teams deal with at the end of free agency or later in the draft.

It bugs the **** out of me, but I think the FO is going to give serious consideration to Carter-Williams and Dario Saric. I'd rather get Goodwin or Caldwell-Pope.

Regarding Schroeder, I think there are a few clips of him dunking aren't there? Either way, Rondo doesn't elevate much, does he?
 
Catchall said:
I think we have to get the best guard or perimeter player we can at #14. There are a few decent bigs in that range, and I think Olynyk will be a decent commodity in the league, but a back-up big is something most teams deal with at the end of free agency or later in the draft.

It bugs the **** out of me, but I think the FO is going to give serious consideration to Carter-Williams and Dario Saric. I'd rather get Goodwin or Caldwell-Pope.

Regarding Schroeder, I think there are a few clips of him dunking aren't there? Either way, Rondo doesn't elevate much, does he?
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Most PG's play below the rim. The two exceptions are pretty much just Rose and Westbrook, but time will put those players on the ground soon enough.
 
My response to Wes' PM to PKM below:

Why the hell do so many people want this kid with our own 1st rounder? I've never seen somebody so quick with so little jumping ability. Watch every highlight. He blows by someone or starts to, and begins his flight (I'm using that term loosely), only to get no more than three or four inches off the ground. Pathetic.
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Well obviously he hasn't watched "every highlight" because he didn't watch this highlight below. He was dunking at: 0.13min, 0.45min, 1.38min, 2.28min.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ7Djt8InTc

Also I'd rather have my PG having the quickness to be able to break down the defense 1 on 1 like at 1.24min and either dish it out or finish with a floater, than a combo guard as my PG who can dunk it but can never get past his man.

He can blow by guys all he wants in the NBA. It won't matter because he'll get his **** blocked every time.
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Well in that was the case Tony Parker would never have gotten drafted, the Spurs would not have won all those Championships and Parker would be outside selling hot dogs outside the stadium instead of where he is now. He's quick enough and crafty enough to make plays once he had his man beat.

He's basically Brandon Jennings with even less ability to finish/jump. You think Jennings' efficiency sucks? This kid's shooting 33% in a mediocre league.
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Where is Wes getting Schroeder's stats from? It's not even close to the one I found by google:

https://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Dennis_Schroeder/New_Yorker_Phantoms_Braunschweig/204078

As you can see with the NY Phantoms, in 2012/13 he shot the ball 44% 2pt, 40% 3pt, 84% FT. Also I don't see Brandon Jennings in this guy's game at all. He looks to set up his teammates first and foremost. He runs the plays. He doesn't shoot unless he absolutely needs to or is completely wide open. Jennings is like the opposite of that.

There's no way I'd touch this kid with a first round pick.
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We're talking #14 & #21 picks here man. From talent level I've seen from this kid, he's at least worth #21 pick. Whether or not he's worth #14 that's still questionable at this point we'll have to see whether or not his attitude, work ethics & his shooting checks out.

I can see a team like Dallas with nothing to lose swinging for the fence and grab this guy and pair him with Dirk. Whether or not our conservative bunch of KOC/Lindsey will bite is another story.
 
Catchall said:
I think it's best to cover our bases by drafting a PG this year so we can just take whatever BPA is there next year regardless of position.

We'll do well to get 1 top 10 pick next year, and we need to take whatever stud we can get.
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There is a very good chance the BPA in 2014 is a PG though. Hill, Harrison, Smart, Exum are all very tantalizing. Do we then trade this years PG pick for scraps? Teams in need of a PG are few and far between.
 
Jazz4ever said:
There is a very good chance the BPA in 2014 is a PG though. Hill, Harrison, Smart, Exum are all very tantalizing. Do we then trade this years PG pick for scraps? Teams in need of a PG are few and far between.
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Yes, I would draft a PG this year so long as there is a good prospect in our draft range (draft tier). Then we'll have a complete starting line-up all developing together and each with starter-level talent. Next year, we'll take whatever BPA we can get. Regardless of what position that new player plays, someone in our line-up is going to have to move to the bench or get moved. If you think Burks is really a PG of the future, or if you want to draft a guy who can play multiple positions, like a combo guard or combo wing, that's an okay strategy too. Maybe that gives us a little bit of flexibility. But it's nice to have a real PG.

Another factor to consider is whether we can fill our need for a starting PG through free agency or a small trade. It's easy to sit back and say we can, but if you look at the list of people who have played PG for the Jazz, the track record for picking up quality PGs through free agency or trade really sucks.

Another huge factor here is the question of what kind of talent Corbin is capable of coaching. Does he need a real pg? Is he clever enough to run effective plays that don't require a real pg?

BTW, Exum looks like a swingman.
 
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