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It's only the 1st game, but Randle showing lots of decent SF skills in the highlight below, including:

- Can handle the ball very well in fast beak situation and also as a facilitator at the top of the key

- Very good passing skills for someone who's supposed to play PF this year

- Nice shooting stroke - seems like his range is out to the 3pt line (he's wayyy ahead of the curve compared to LeBron in this regard)

As has been noted by PKM, there are 2-3 times when Randle would start at the 3pt line, top of the key, then makes his way into the paint & drawing double team. Numerous times he seems to have enough vision to pass out to his teammates waiting to shoot 3's. If the defense sags, he simply makes his way to the basket and finish hard at the rim and/or draw fouls.

This is something that he seems to be able to do very well and seems natural to him too. To me this is strikingly similar to the way LeBron plays at the moment, his size, post game/face up game, the way he drives to the basket and making passes to his teammates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqhuK___3PA
 
bigmike said:
Torn ACL's are nothing nowadays. Rondo was a top-3 point guard in the NBA before he went down - I'd make that trade with zero hesitation.
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So you feel Rondo was better than two out of Paul, Parker, Westbrook, Rose ? Disagree.
For example I liked Rubio way better before his ACL. But maybe he needs more time...ACL to me is just a wait and see move, unless you get the injured player for expirings or something cheap.

PKM said:
I assure you that is not Randle's way of thinking. He is a yes sir kind of kid that just goes to work. Want him inside? He obliges. Outside, he'll do that too.
He understands that coaches (smart ones at least) play to skillsets more so than positions.
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Positions are defined by defense, not offense. PF is by far the most versatile position in today's NBA which is probably a reason why there's almost no elite defender playing that spot.
Just think about possibilities:
-You have to be able to defend postups
-lateral quickness and strength to contest faceups
-straight line drives from the perimeter(Randle is even doing more than str8 lines)
-closeouts when people play the Pick n Pop
-change of direction, quick stops, pullups/fadeaways
-hedge towards the ballhandler running screens
-Anthony Davis is setting new limits on defending that position by curling around cross screens -> https://www.hoopsworld.com/anthony-davis-is-already-a-superstar

Most people don't have the body to defend all these skills. Some(Bargnani) can't defend even one of that.

PJKino said:
You go for the home run in the nba..its about having those onece a decade type players you need to win titles..not that Wiggins is a Lebron or Kboe level talent hes not but if things break right he could be a franchise player..he has a long way to go but in the nba you have to take that gamble
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If you mean by "home run" game changer then I agree. That's why I would have drafted Oden over Durant. Oden would have completely changed inside defense.
LeBron changed the game by combining out of world strength, elite quickness and advanced playmaking skills.
It would take me way too long to continue ;) Let's see if Wiggins can change it. I don't think the other have that potential though.
If Wiggins realizes his potential, right now there's like 4-6 guys in the league capable of defending his versatility:Butler, Iguodala, George, Leonard and maybe Shumpert and Sefolosha if there's a solar eclipse somewhere.

PJKino said:
I dont see Lebron because what seperates Bron from him is physical build and court vision/passing ability which is way ahead of Wiggins at the same age..

Wiggins kinda reminds me a little of Nique/ David Thompsonish type player
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Don't compare these two. Unfair and they're too different. Just wait for Wiggins to enter and look at him as a player in his own league. I think he can only beat himself.

PJKino said:
I like those..i saw Simmons compare Randle to what Coleman should have been i guess its not that far fetched..

Parker really impressed the hell out of me cant remember a player with that refined an offensive arsenal at such a young age and while hes not an athletic freak hes more athletic then i thought he was..
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I think out of the top4 Parker is the only player I anticipate becoming a 2 way player. He plays really smart.

Hotttnickkk said:
PKM - can you please stop *****footing around and tell us what separates Julius Randle from LeBron James? (apart from the obvious passing skills that LeBron possess).

Please also cut out your "I hate comps" speech and just give it to us straight bro.


TIA
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I think Randle is a better shooter and better worker in the post. The rest LeBron's better at.
 
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Watch for the vids from last nights game. Randle (22/14) drove past his defender got right past the free throw line, then dished to the open perimeter shooter (twice) and hit a 3 of his own.. in 3 consecutive plays.
 
PKM said:
Who's playing on Tuesday (just the two games, that is) to watch.

KU
Wiggins
Joel Embiid
Selden
Perry Ellis
Jamari Traylor
Duke
Parker
Rodney Hood
Andre Dawkins
Rasheed Sulaimon
MichSt
Gary Harris
Adreian Payne
Keith Appling
Branden Dawson
UK
Randle
Andrew Harrison
Aaron Harrison
James Young
Willie Cauley-Stein
Dakari Johnson
Marcus Lee
Alex Poythress
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Just a bump/reminder.

UK - Sparty at 5:30 mst ESPN
KU - duke at 7:30 mst ESPN
 
Will be VERY interesting to me to see Randle vs. MichSt. Izzo is a very good coach (one of the best) and he will have poured over game film. It's pretty obvious that Randle is our beast and Izzo will develop a game plan JUST TO STOP him .. and Izzo's teams always play tough physically/borderline dirty. If I'm Izzo, I feel really good about beating UK if I can limit Randle's impact.

Great chance to see how the young guy performs in a hostile environment, against the #2 team in the nation, a great coach, and being the focal point of the game plan.. to be stopped.
 
PKM said:
Will be VERY interesting to me to see Randle vs. MichSt. Izzo is a very good coach (one of the best) and he will have poured over game film. It's pretty obvious that Randle is our beast and Izzo will develop a game plan JUST TO STOP him .. and Izzo's teams always play tough physically/borderline dirty. If I'm Izzo, I feel really good about beating UK if I can limit Randle's impact.

Great chance to see how the young guy performs in a hostile environment, against the #2 team in the nation, a great coach, and being the focal point of the game plan.. to be stopped.
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I am curious to see how adrian payne is going to guard randle. i am interested in him as a stretch 4 type of player.
 
PKM said:
Will be VERY interesting to me to see Randle vs. MichSt. Izzo is a very good coach (one of the best) and he will have poured over game film. It's pretty obvious that Randle is our beast and Izzo will develop a game plan JUST TO STOP him .. and Izzo's teams always play tough physically/borderline dirty. If I'm Izzo, I feel really good about beating UK if I can limit Randle's impact.

Great chance to see how the young guy performs in a hostile environment, against the #2 team in the nation, a great coach, and being the focal point of the game plan.. to be stopped.
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It will be interesting to see if the new rules that restrict you from using hands on defense effect MSu at all theyre always among the most physical teams..
 
I'll have to watch tonight. He looks like a more aggressive Darrel Arthur to me in those highlights, but I feel like I'm getting the wrong impression.
 
So aren't these games tomorrow night?
 
PJKino said:
It will be interesting to see if the new rules that restrict you from using hands on defense effect MSu at all theyre always among the most physical teams..
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Agree... all of cbb is watching this..

Duck Rodgers said:
I'll have to watch tonight. He looks like a more aggressive Darrel Arthur to me in those highlights, but I feel like I'm getting the wrong impression.
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yeah... that last part.
yeah
 
Tyler Haws vs. Chasson Randle tonight on ESPN2. Both players are potential 2nd round picks and could fill a role on our team. We'll just have to ask Jabari which one he'd rather play along side.
 
Okay, Question: When people say Randle will be able to play the 3, are they saying he can play the 3 like Anthony Bennett, Derrick Williams... Paul Millsap, or are they saying he can really play the 3?
 
Tom Pitt said:
Okay, Question: When people say Randle will be able to play the 3, are they saying he can play the 3 like Anthony Bennett, Derrick Williams... Paul Millsap, or are they really saying he can play the 3?
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If by 'people' you mean hotttnikkk.. 'they' are saying "really play the 3."

Most, though, think he's a PF with a full suite of SF skills but better suited for PF.
 
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