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Following potential 2014 draftees

With all these "cant-miss, going to be an all-time great" players showing their warts this season, wouldn't it be funny if this actually turned out to be one of the weaker drafts. Maybe there will be Parker and everyone else. Wiggins will have have amazing "potential" but never quite harness it (like Marvin and Derrick Williams), Embiid will be raw and develop slowly into a decent, but not spectacular center. Smart will never learn to be a consistent shooter and Exum will have been overrated because of inferior competition.

We've already seen that the Harrison twins were way over-hyped and have dropped out of sight. Most have soured quite a bit on Randle, too. All of a sudden, Tankapalazoo 2014 isn't looking so great.
 
yamers said:
some interesting clips
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illegal screen -> If he doesn't dodge it, it's a charge if the ref isn't blind.it happens if you're chasing through backscreens that you're a little late, but Wiggins lacked awareness giving away a bigger advantage than needed. no helpdefense as well by the big. Such a situation happens Burks 5 times a game.

yamers said:
scouting reporttttt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thoB4TJOzP8
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So he takes away his left hand and leaves the middle open? Is that an instruction or mistake?
That #33(I think his name is Trylor or sth) blocks Wiggins after he didn't hedge out and as it was a double screen, Ellis should have showed strong as well against a 40% shooter. So him giving the middle started the situation but his teammates didn't play exactly smart teamdefense.
 
Core4 said:
With all these "cant-miss, going to be an all-time great" players showing their warts this season, wouldn't it be funny if this actually turned out to be one of the weaker drafts. Maybe there will be Parker and everyone else. Wiggins will have have amazing "potential" but never quite harness it (like Marvin and Derrick Williams), Embiid will be raw and develop slowly into a decent, but not spectacular center. Smart will never learn to be a consistent shooter and Exum will have been overrated because of inferior competition.

We've already seen that the Harrison twins were way over-hyped and have dropped out of sight. Most have soured quite a bit on Randle, too. All of a sudden, Tankapalazoo 2014 isn't looking so great.
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I disagree. These players have a huge target on their back. They're not polished and the parts of their games that can make a difference in the pros aren't developed yet or the NCAA rules don't allow exploitation of them. Parker is the most consistent of the pack. He's had a 5 game stretch of bad games or sth. Wiggins and Embiid have shown more mixed results. Randle started strong, but after his performance dropped for his slump he didn't get his individual success into the regions where he started the season.
We also have now a higher sample size of successful one and dones. And coaches have a better idea how to exploit weaknesses of the young players, who in earlier decades would have spent more IMPORTANT minutes on the bench observing.
If I'm the GM I take Wiggins #1 right now. He's got not that much upside as Embiid, but way less risk. I see the steady improvement, even if it's at a slower pace than Parker's. He trusts his jumper more, is comfortable taking more possessions and tries more things. His jumper doesn't have bad mechanics so there's a good chance if his work ethic is proper that he'll improve that soon.
If I have doubts about his drive to be the best I take Parker #1, simply because Basketball is a game of skill and he's got plenty of that. He's right now a PF at the pros because he seems too slow guarding 3s but I've got my doubt as most 3s play off the ball anyways and playing in a 2.9 is different than playing against primary ballhandlers. But as a PF we've seen that curls are killing most players defensively. A.D. and Melo have proven that. So Parker's got plenty of opportunities to beat his defenders who've got size advantage. Defensively, he's got long arms. Some PFs he'll never stop for size or physical reasons but that doesn't matter too much as most PFs are bad defensively. Team defense prevails. Just have a good Center behind your back and have a hand in the shooters face. He should be quick enough to contain most penetrations against PFs. In the post up you need a guard to help.
Embiid has so much potential, but he's 1 year older than the typical fresman. I think he's got all the right traits and if he doesn't reach his perceived ceiling it won't be for lack of trying. But you need time to gain experience and feel for the game. I just think the risk with him to be overhyped is too much to justify a #1. The other guys won't be much worse if he reaches his ceiling. Can't go wrong either way.
 
Recently, I haven't been that impressed with the top 5 guys - Parker has shown the most consistency and he struggled for several games. Embiid seems to have taken a step back and Wiggins is painfully inconsistent. I think Randle will struggle in the NBA if he doesn't improve his outside shot and his ball handling skills. They all have holes in their games. I think Parker is the most ready.

What will really be tragic (for Jazzland) if Parker, Wiggins and Embiid stay for another year. Which is a big possibility? The worse part of the draft is not knowing who is actually going to declare. Right now I would not be surprised if Parker and Embiid stayed. I wouldn't be overly shocked if Wiggins stayed. I am pretty sure that Randle will go and EXum has already declared. It would really suck if it was only Randle and Exum in this draft.
 
cowhide said:
Recently, I haven't been that impressed with the top 5 guys - Parker has shown the most consistency and he struggled for several games. Embiid seems to have taken a step back and Wiggins is painfully inconsistent. I think Randle will struggle in the NBA if he doesn't improve his outside shot and his ball handling skills. They all have holes in their games. I think Parker is the most ready.

What will really be tragic (for Jazzland) if Parker, Wiggins and Embiid stay for another year. Which is a big possibility? The worse part of the draft is not knowing who is actually going to declare. Right now I would not be surprised if Parker and Embiid stayed. I wouldn't be overly shocked if Wiggins stayed. I am pretty sure that Randle will go and EXum has already declared. It would really suck if it was only Randle and Exum in this draft.
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I don't think anyone will stay. If everyone has ups and downs, the #1 team still has to pick someone, no matter how good he is perceived right now. There's simply too many cases of players hurting their stock and opportunities recently by staying in school that I don't think anyone will stay. Most teams with very good draft picks are also headed in the right direction and are healthy organisations. The crappy teams are around 8-14 right now(Clevetank, Joe Dumars, New Orleans, Minnesota, Bobnets). In the top spots there's only the Bucks and Kings as trash organisations, besides the Sixers, Celtics, Magic, Jazz, Lakers with Cleveland being between the 2 groups. And even the Bucks seem to realize that the way they do it isn't attracting fans and neither is it successful way of making money. The Kings have a new owner situation and they wanna line up some borderline playoff teams/stockpile assets before rebuilding around a star and elevate the franchise's reputation with players and their agents.
 
^^I don't think quality of the organization is a huge consideration. Crappy teams usually wind up with the top picks. Only occasionally will you get a decent team jumping up or getting an unprotected pick via trade. And, IINM, players don't know in advance of declaring what the draft order is going to be. Isn't the NBA date late April and the lottery in May? And this year, the "tanking" teams like Boston, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Utah, the Lakers...they're intent on rebuilding and getting back to the playoffs. Cleveland, Sacramento, Orlando...they'll be in the lottery every year - you just know it.

I know there's a provision that if a player does not retain an agent he can return to school if he drops out of the draft at a certain point. I think that's more utilized by players who might be a little uncertain of their draft potential (1st round and a guaranteed contract, 2nd round, little chance of being drafted?). In the end, I think Embiid and Parker will declare. Going top-5, a great contract, guaranteed $. Yes, I know there's always injury insurance, but that's not 100%. Tear up a knee, get drafted lower, not be quite the same player...that's a huge risk. You let the team take out insurance to cover their risk, not pay for it yourself while playing another year of college ball.
 
Core4 said:
^^I don't think quality of the organization is a huge consideration. Crappy teams usually wind up with the top picks. Only occasionally will you get a decent team jumping up or getting an unprotected pick via trade. And, IINM, players don't know in advance of declaring what the draft order is going to be. Isn't the NBA date late April and the lottery in May? And this year, the "tanking" teams like Boston, Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Utah, the Lakers...they're intent on rebuilding and getting back to the playoffs. Cleveland, Sacramento, Orlando...they'll be in the lottery every year - you just know it.

I know there's a provision that if a player does not retain an agent he can return to school if he drops out of the draft at a certain point. I think that's more utilized by players who might be a little uncertain of their draft potential (1st round and a guaranteed contract, 2nd round, little chance of being drafted?). In the end, I think Embiid and Parker will declare. Going top-5, a great contract, guaranteed $. Yes, I know there's always injury insurance, but that's not 100%. Tear up a knee, get drafted lower, not be quite the same player...that's a huge risk. You let the team take out insurance to cover their risk, not pay for it yourself while playing another year of college ball.
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I think you're massively underestimating the Orlando Magic, who have fielded 2 teams that came very close to the big prize in the last 2 decades. They're classy IMO. I was just pointing out that the teams you're getting drafted by would be no reason to stay in school and they have a very high chance to land in a good organisation instead of catfighting with bitches - Yes Cleveland I'M talking to you.
The rule to return to school was changed and currently you have 10 days after the NCAA tourney to test the waters and after the 10 days you have to decide about returning to school. Maybe it's 7, I don't know exactly. But I know the rule. They'll probably use it, in the 10 days every single team will call them and tell them they're going to pick them top3 if they land a pick in the lottery and then they'll all decide to enter the draft. Right now they're just saying the right things as the schools are trying to sell their jerseys and stuff.
 
Jako said:
for some reason i think the Jazz are going to end up with Doug McDermott
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I keep thinking we are getting Aaron Gordon and that disappoints me. He is a decent player, but my hopes have so set higher . . . on Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, or Exum. Gordon might be #8 or 9 on my list.
 
BTP said:
I think you're massively underestimating the Orlando Magic, who have fielded 2 teams that came very close to the big prize in the last 2 decades. They're classy IMO. I was just pointing out that the teams you're getting drafted by would be no reason to stay in school and they have a very high chance to land in a good organisation instead of catfighting with bitches - Yes Cleveland I'M talking to you.
The rule to return to school was changed and currently you have 10 days after the NCAA tourney to test the waters and after the 10 days you have to decide about returning to school. Maybe it's 7, I don't know exactly. But I know the rule. They'll probably use it, in the 10 days every single team will call them and tell them they're going to pick them top3 if they land a pick in the lottery and then they'll all decide to enter the draft. Right now they're just saying the right things as the schools are trying to sell their jerseys and stuff.
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I think we're agreeing here. They have no reason to stay.
 
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