Following potential 2014 draftees
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So how about trading Favors in a year in case he stays healthy and has a career year, sticking to the shooting of Kanter and add another combo forward who mainly plays the 3?
Would be obvi risky in case that WCS never really understands how to impact defense properly and is not going to be the next DeAndre Jordan with less Gangsta-SWAG but more YOLO-SWAG.
Think about
WCS/GObert
Parker/Kanter
with Kanter splitting minutes on both inside positions depending on matchups and how his shot is falling that day.
More like I ain't Cy who doesn't have proper reading skills or can't even focus on reading consecutive lines and sentences
I'll tell you my favorite defensive minded PFs in an order:
Iblocka
Davis
Gibson
Amir Johnson
John Henson <- was totally mind blown by his stats.
Josh Smith
I totally hate every other PF defensively and I probably have forgotten one or two. Please correct me.
This list is based on my eye test, my personal preference and these statistics:
https://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDefense.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=50&sortField=FGP_DEFEND_RIM&sortOrder=ASC&filters=MIN*GE*15**GP*GE*30**FGA_DEFEND_RIM*GE*4.5
https://stats.nba.com/playerTrackingDefense.html?pageNo=1&rowsPerPage=50
So if I can't get a 2 way PF via draft or free agency I'd rather have my player play offense with also 3 point range to negatively impact the impact of defensive minded PFs.
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mellow
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Not to pick on you specifically fixed, but I find the chatter leading up to the draft fascinating. Everyone starts talking about potential and how great a guy could be, then we start talking about his warts, and then all we can see are the warts. When draft night finally arrives half the fans are booing and hissing at the pick because all they see are the limitations.
I tried to step back a little last year, and it was different. I didn't complain at the jazz picks, but I sure didn't have much fun in June. This year I might try to develope an irrational emotional attachment to a specific player and see how it changes the draft experience for me.
It's okay.
Hantlers
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I actually wasn't a huge Hayward fan prior to the selection. I'm still not a huge Hayward fan, but I do think he's better than people on this board think he is.
Do you happen to have any proof that I "pimped" him like you said I did. Talk is cheap, prove something for once.
I'm higher on Favors than most in this thread.
I think he'll be a 14-16 PPG guy offensively (so, good - certainly serviceable) and will continue to grow into an elite defender. Bear in mind he's still just 22. He will never the the reason that the Jazz win a championship but I do think he will be good enough to anchor our interior defense (a la Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert, etc) and be one of our franchise cornerstones. He probably already would be a 14 PPG guy if Corbin didn't **** around with him and Kanter's minutes during portions of the season.
I'm sold on Burke (took me a while), Hayward and Favors being part of this team long-term. I love Burks' game but if we add a top flight wing this draft I'm not sure where he fits (unless he's willing to accept a sixth man role, which I doubt). Kanter remains an enigma, he's got a long way to go. But, again...21 years old.
I think he'll be a 14-16 PPG guy offensively (so, good - certainly serviceable) and will continue to grow into an elite defender. Bear in mind he's still just 22. He will never the the reason that the Jazz win a championship but I do think he will be good enough to anchor our interior defense (a la Marc Gasol, Roy Hibbert, etc) and be one of our franchise cornerstones. He probably already would be a 14 PPG guy if Corbin didn't **** around with him and Kanter's minutes during portions of the season.
I'm sold on Burke (took me a while), Hayward and Favors being part of this team long-term. I love Burks' game but if we add a top flight wing this draft I'm not sure where he fits (unless he's willing to accept a sixth man role, which I doubt). Kanter remains an enigma, he's got a long way to go. But, again...21 years old.
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I hear you, and I support your self-experimentation.
But, for the record, I've been authoring caution toward Jabari since the beginning of his days at Duke.
SojoDave
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So your saying we've gotta chance. Ping pong balls never go Jazz way. Maybe it's time.
Just wanted to share this bad boy with y'all:
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/demarcus-cousins-rb-album-boogie-smooth-misunderstood/
If I'd have that many ejections and Technical fouls I'd have time to record an album as well.
Totally looking forward to the next grantland stuff with Simmons and Jalen. Totally gold. Also totally unrelated to the draft but it's the draft thread. Anything is possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAApr6euVr0
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2014/03/demarcus-cousins-rb-album-boogie-smooth-misunderstood/
If I'd have that many ejections and Technical fouls I'd have time to record an album as well.
Totally looking forward to the next grantland stuff with Simmons and Jalen. Totally gold. Also totally unrelated to the draft but it's the draft thread. Anything is possible.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAApr6euVr0
Hantlers
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Wiggins, despite his inconsistency, is the complete package. He has the potential to be great on both ends of the court...he's also the only player in the draft that can really say that.
Parker is excellent on offense, below-average on defense.
Gordon is excellent on defense, below-average on offense.
Randle is quite good on offense, below-average on defense.
Embiid is a game changer on defense, and his offense is ok. Embiid has the best chance after Wiggins at being able to positively affect both ends of the court.
It seems like Exum also has a chance at being a good player on both sides, but it's hard to say considering the competition that he has played.
Every top player has some concerns, so it really just comes down to who fits your team the best and what style you want to play. It's also difficult for us as fans, because we don't know who our coach will be or what style we will play. I think that pairing Parker with an effective post defender could work. I think pairing Gordon with a real stretch 4 could work. Wiggins and Embiid will work with anybody, Randle needs a quality post defender to pair with him. It will be easier to say once we know where we're picking.
Parker is excellent on offense, below-average on defense.
Gordon is excellent on defense, below-average on offense.
Randle is quite good on offense, below-average on defense.
Embiid is a game changer on defense, and his offense is ok. Embiid has the best chance after Wiggins at being able to positively affect both ends of the court.
It seems like Exum also has a chance at being a good player on both sides, but it's hard to say considering the competition that he has played.
Every top player has some concerns, so it really just comes down to who fits your team the best and what style you want to play. It's also difficult for us as fans, because we don't know who our coach will be or what style we will play. I think that pairing Parker with an effective post defender could work. I think pairing Gordon with a real stretch 4 could work. Wiggins and Embiid will work with anybody, Randle needs a quality post defender to pair with him. It will be easier to say once we know where we're picking.
Fishsticks
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Agree with all of this. That said The Jazz have to inform Corbin they wont be offering him a new contract moments after the final game so we can find a new coach. We need our future coach in place for the draft. Even a SVG could pull a Corbin a destroy young players if he wasnt a fan, so I'd like complete buy in from our future group ASAP.