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I think he just wants to get paid.

Where he ends up playing is probably a consideration for him and communicating with the team that owns his agency rights would be wise. If he's stupid and/or spiteful, he'll go about it the way you're describing.
 
Where he ends up playing is probably a consideration for him and communicating with the team that owns his agency rights would be wise. If he's stupid and/or spiteful, he'll go about it the way you're describing.

Well he didn't sign the extension - that tells me he wants to test the market. Even if he gets traded to the team he doesn't like he'll still be able to test the market at the end of the year.

My point is unless another team is willing to wayyyy overpaying him in the sign & trade, he just won't agree to it and he'll just wait to test the market.
 
Well he didn't sign the extension - that tells me he wants to test the market. Even if he gets traded to the team he doesn't like he'll still be able to test the market at the end of the year.

My point is unless another team is willing to wayyyy overpaying him, he'll wait to test the market.

At least the Jazz haven't over paid him...yet.
 
Well he didn't sign the extension - that tells me he wants to test the market. Even if he gets traded to the team he doesn't like he'll still be able to test the market at the end of the year.

My point is unless another team is willing to wayyyy overpaying him in the sign & trade, he just won't agree to it and he'll just wait to test the market.

Wait, are you talking about him taking the qualifying offer for next year then entering free agency unrestricted in 2015??? Because that almost never happens. You're saying he's going to forego an automatic $5-$10 million dollars that he'll never get back (the difference between the qualifying offer [$4.67 million] and the first year of his new contract [likely at least $10 million]) not to mention however many tens of millions of dollars on the table just for the right to... do what exactly? Players don't accept the qualifying offer and enter unrestricted free agency after their rookie deal very often for a reason; it's not good for them.

This dynamic is what allows teams leverage to keep players beyond their rookie contract but still allow players the freedom to escape their situation if it's really that terrible to them.
 
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One poster has been ****ting the bed for the past 4-5 pages. His lil feelers got hurt by Hayfever.

EDIT: 429 pages

So... nothing constructive to add/comment on then?


Just about what I had expected actually....
 
Imagine if Burke turns out to be decent, low TO's, 5-6 assists per game, shoots 40% from 3's...

We draft Jabari with our pick and package GSW pick & Hayward to move up and grab Aaron Harrison.

Favors
Kanter
Jabari
Aaron Harrison
Burke

That's a very very decent team going forward.

- Solid leadership in Burke & Jabari.
- GREAT shooting (potentially) from Burke, Aaron, Jabari and Kanter
- Slashers in Aaron and Jabari
- Decent size & defensive potential
- CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP

That would be kinda dope. But if you make these scenarios, remind yourself of 1 thing:
Try to think of at least 3 actual teams that would be interested in that. And I mean REALLY interested as it would serve them purpose.
Where do you project Aaaron to be drafted as you say GSW + Hayward. I'd say Hayward str8 up for Aaron would make the buyer still look good if it helps him win immediately.

You're the only one in the world right now saying Parker has below average athleticism. Fascinating.

Nope, not by NBA standards.
LeBron, George, Deng, Smove(Yeah he counts as SF until traded ;) ), MKG, Ariza, Harkless, Durant, Batum, Wilson Chandler, Iggy, Leonard, Jimmy Butler.
List of starting calibre NBA SF who are either more athletic, stronger or both compared to Parker.
I think Parker will have a very good NBA career, but right now it doesn't start at the post, but as attack option from the wing.

I'm almost convinced that after #10 in a draft you should draft players that can play, not on potential. So maybe pick Parker/McDermott. Although they probably play the same position, but that's just an example.

Depends on if you're trying to win right now or trying to win down the road. A #10 pick can be on a team that just decided a week ago to rebuild, or it could be a traded pick from a pretender to a tank squad.

I believe you can do sign and trades (a la Brandon Jennings). Which with a team having his agency rights, makes all the sense in the world.

If restricted it is necessary to have consent of the player. But which player doesn't wanna get paid?

BTP, I don't understand why you don't think Parker is athletic. In the parlance of Steven A. Smith... "He's athletic enough." Most important is that he really has a feel for the game. He knows how to play. His basketball IQ is so obvious. and His poise for an 18 year old is special. And Bro, he is really strong. Grant Hill said that the thing that he was most impressed with about Parker was his strength. Hill said that in pick up games at Duke before the seasons started, he was bullying NBA guys in the post. grant Hill said that. What more do you want? Also, Bill Simmons said that when he saw Parker up close at the Champions Classic, he was huge and that he has Melo's thickness and Rudy Gays height. He's got those Polynesian genes. He'll fill out even more over time.

So feel for the game, BBIQ, shooting, variation of moves and changing speed, I totally agree. But that's Duncan'esque qualities not LeBron-ishs. Grant Hill can ****talk all he wants all day long, and since it's college basketball, a different audience which trys to win over from the big competition it's no surprise he's talking that stuff. But until he goes into the low post vs a legitimate prospect and shows go-to moves he doesn't have a low post game. I mean Dwight apparently changed his free throw shooting over the summer successfully, but a recent Hakeem interview suggests that he fell back into bad habits...
So summer doesn't matter until you use it come fall. And if Jabari had a dope Low post game there's NO WAY coach K wouldn't implement it. With the shooting around him it would be too good to play inside out to pass up on that opportunity.
So maybe Grant Hill and Simmons shouldn't talk to the audience but talk to Jabari and coach K.

... He can still test the market. You can't do a sign-and-trade without a player's consent.

YIP, but until the trade deadline the Jazz can do whatever they want...
 
Imagine if Burke turns out to be decent, low TO's, 5-6 assists per game, shoots 40% from 3's...

We draft Jabari with our pick and package GSW pick & Hayward to move up and grab Aaron Harrison.

Favors
Kanter
Jabari
Aaron Harrison
Burke

That's a very very decent team going forward.

- Solid leadership in Burke & Jabari.
- GREAT shooting (potentially) from Burke, Aaron, Jabari and Kanter
- Slashers in Aaron and Jabari
- Decent size & defensive potential
- CHEAP, CHEAP, CHEAP

Phone won't let me multi-quote for some reason...

What bigmike said.. why move Hayward to get Aaron when he won't rise above the GSW pick anyway.

Plus, I'm concerned about his defense at this point. Its early, but Young looks like a total stud and Aaron looks like a great college player that's too slow to guard NBA guards.
 
So with regards to the draft, it seems like the first 6 Picks are as follows

1. Wiggins
2. Parker
3. Randle
4. Exum
5. Smart
6. Imbiid

It seems like these players can move 1, maybe 2 spots from this depending on how the season goes, and there aren't many players who have a chance to jump into that top 6. After those 6, then nobody has established themselves as a guaranteed top 10 yet, and could go anywhere from 7-15 or maybe even 20. Is that a fair assessment so far?
 
So with regards to the draft, it seems like the first 6 Picks are as follows

1. Wiggins
2. Parker
3. Randle
4. Exum
5. Smart
6. Imbiid

It seems like these players can move 1, maybe 2 spots from this depending on how the season goes, and there aren't many players who have a chance to jump into that top 6. After those 6, then nobody has established themselves as a guaranteed top 10 yet, and could go anywhere from 7-15 or maybe even 20. Is that a fair assessment so far?

Good post.. but obviously things can change greater than what you suggested.
 
Phone won't let me multi-quote for some reason...

What bigmike said.. why move Hayward to get Aaron when he won't rise above the GSW pick anyway.

Plus, I'm concerned about his defense at this point. Its early, but Young looks like a total stud and Aaron looks like a great college player that's too slow to guard NBA guards.

This blew me away but Young is the real deal
 
So with regards to the draft, it seems like the first 6 Picks are as follows

1. Wiggins
2. Parker
3. Randle
4. Exum
5. Smart
6. Imbiid

It seems like these players can move 1, maybe 2 spots from this depending on how the season goes, and there aren't many players who have a chance to jump into that top 6. After those 6, then nobody has established themselves as a guaranteed top 10 yet, and could go anywhere from 7-15 or maybe even 20. Is that a fair assessment so far?

I would dd 1 more to that

Wiggins
Randle
Parker
Exum
Smart
Gordon
Embiid
 
cross-posting these thoughts:

The idea of trading Hayward, pairing the returning asset with the GSW pick just, all so we can take another flyer on a wing......
This is a ****stain idea if I've ever heard one.

Hayward is an above-average defender who can shoot above 40% from 3. His problem right now is that he is trying to do too much. Turn him into an incredibly rich-man's Danny Green.
 
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