Following potential 2014 draftees
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While i dont disagree its funny i havent seen that holy s freakish athleticism from Wiggins yet that i saw on those clips of him in hs..
Im not saying he hasnt shown great athleticism or that he isnt capable i think its more hes holding back a little in fear of injury
orangello
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I'm enjoying it.
Hantlers
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Here's the thing with post moves BTP, they translate.
It doesn't matter who your competition is, or who you're playing against, they translate to the next level.
****, some of the post moves Al Jefferson was putting in on high schoolers (quite obviously a low talent level) are the same damn moves he's putting on the professionals. So would it be nice to see it against better competition? Of course, but post moves are one of the few offensive talents that translate to almost every single level. You're not going to see Parker post up and do a little hook shot, that's not his game. But I have seen multiple times in each game where he's posted up, and had a nifty spin move to get to the rim or a fade-away jumper. Those are post moves, and they will translate. It's the same thing LeBron does with his game, same thing Carmello does with his game, and the same thing Paul Pierce did...you gonna tell me those guys don't have any low post skills either? Please.
Arm cocked, making it look lower than what it is, he's still on his way up, and his head is an inch or two from the backboard. Yup. Not athletic.
Head touching the backboard. Not athletic.
Is this athletic enough? Probably not.
It doesn't matter who your competition is, or who you're playing against, they translate to the next level.
****, some of the post moves Al Jefferson was putting in on high schoolers (quite obviously a low talent level) are the same damn moves he's putting on the professionals. So would it be nice to see it against better competition? Of course, but post moves are one of the few offensive talents that translate to almost every single level. You're not going to see Parker post up and do a little hook shot, that's not his game. But I have seen multiple times in each game where he's posted up, and had a nifty spin move to get to the rim or a fade-away jumper. Those are post moves, and they will translate. It's the same thing LeBron does with his game, same thing Carmello does with his game, and the same thing Paul Pierce did...you gonna tell me those guys don't have any low post skills either? Please.
Arm cocked, making it look lower than what it is, he's still on his way up, and his head is an inch or two from the backboard. Yup. Not athletic.
Head touching the backboard. Not athletic.
Is this athletic enough? Probably not.
Hantlers
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I agree. One of my main concerns is that this team needs a scorer.
I think Wiggins has the potential to be the best scorer in this class, I think Parker has a better chance of reaching that. Luckily, both are very good, and they're very good at defense as well. Hell, so is Randle.
Hard to go wrong this year. Just pick one, and you'll do fine.
orangello
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This, as well as everything else that you said.
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Here's the thing with post moves BTP, they translate.
It doesn't matter who your competition is, or who you're playing against, they translate to the next level.
****, some of the post moves Al Jefferson was putting in on high schoolers (quite obviously a low talent level) are the same damn moves he's putting on the professionals. So would it be nice to see it against better competition? Of course, but post moves are one of the few offensive talents that translate to almost every single level. You're not going to see Parker post up and do a little hook shot, that's not his game. But I have seen multiple times in each game where he's posted up, and had a nifty spin move to get to the rim or a fade-away jumper. Those are post moves, and they will translate. It's the same thing LeBron does with his game, same thing Carmello does with his game, and the same thing Paul Pierce did...you gonna tell me those guys don't have any low post skills either? Please.
Arm cocked, making it look lower than what it is, he's still on his way up, and his head is an inch or two from the backboard. Yup. Not athletic.
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Head touching the backboard. Not athletic.
Is this athletic enough? Probably not.
For the record..... I think that pictures > btp's opinion.
Good work hantlers
Yep effort of course, but I'm talking talent
Here's the thing with post moves BTP, they translate.
It doesn't matter who your competition is, or who you're playing against, they translate to the next level.
****, some of the post moves Al Jefferson was putting in on high schoolers (quite obviously a low talent level) are the same damn moves he's putting on the professionals. So would it be nice to see it against better competition? Of course, but post moves are one of the few offensive talents that translate to almost every single level. You're not going to see Parker post up and do a little hook shot, that's not his game. But I have seen multiple times in each game where he's posted up, and had a nifty spin move to get to the rim or a fade-away jumper. Those are post moves, and they will translate. It's the same thing LeBron does with his game, same thing Carmello does with his game, and the same thing Paul Pierce did...you gonna tell me those guys don't have any low post skills either? Please.
Arm cocked, making it look lower than what it is, he's still on his way up, and his head is an inch or two from the backboard. Yup. Not athletic.
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Head touching the backboard. Not athletic.
Is this athletic enough? Probably not.
First picture, you're right except, look at the height of Jabari's head. Long arms! Just sayin.
2nd pic and 3rd one: camera perspective doesn't allow you to make statements
Dat angle
In the NBA nearly everyone has that level of athleticism, so he won't stand out at that level. But the discussion is pretty pointless tbh, as Duke doesn't have more than 2 competitive games in the next months.
I don't know how you're talking about post moves. I watched now 3 out of 5 vids and have seen 1 legitimate postup vs a total scrub, where he faded away. The rest was broken down how the defense collapsed themselves by playing excited chicken D. So it translates, but for it to translate he's gotta show it.
Love his faceup, doubt his postup until he proves. He's not proven it to me at least.
But I'll stop this discussion at this point as it's taking away too much of my freetime to gather legit evidence and most are too Mormonic to see what I see apparently
I'll just say you all are right, I'm wrong. Maybe I'll restart that discussion in Parker's 3rd NBA season.
Hantlers
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Yep effort of course, but I'm talking talent
First picture, you're right except, look at the height of Jabari's head. Long arms! Just sayin.
2nd pic and 3rd one: camera perspective doesn't allow you to make statements
Dat angle
In the NBA nearly everyone has that level of athleticism, so he won't stand out at that level. But the discussion is pretty pointless tbh, as Duke doesn't have more than 2 competitive games in the next months.
I don't know how you're talking about post moves. I watched now 3 out of 5 vids and have seen 1 legitimate postup vs a total scrub, where he faded away. The rest was broken down how the defense collapsed themselves by playing excited chicken D. So it translates, but for it to translate he's gotta show it.
Love his faceup, doubt his postup until he proves. He's not proven it to me at least.
But I'll stop this discussion at this point as it's taking away too much of my freetime to gather legit evidence and most are too Mormonic to see what I see apparently
I'll just say you all are right, I'm wrong. Maybe I'll restart that discussion in Parker's 3rd NBA season.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BzFLXHaEkPM
0:20, 1:08, 1:27, 1:45
There ya go.
spycam1
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Reporting for duty.
Busy atm, I'll post some thoughts a little later. But here's a preview: you take Wiggins with the 1st pick in this draft and don't look back. The NBA game favors the athletically gifted more so than the college game, imo.
Parker (and Randle) will be better college players, but Wiggins will be the better pro, and it won't take as long as some people are saying.
I think you contradicted yourself.
First scene: Wrong defensive move by a 6'3 guard Paris Roberts-Campbell. Not a legitimate defense, that none in the NBA will give him that far out. He made the lob option so easy it doesn't count.
1.08: Being left open when his defender rotated? What you wanna tell me about that, I could finish that play. Helper's help was sleeping as well. Horrible defensive play.
1.27: He hits a bunny after a sleeping defender tried to defend him up front way too late. Horrible defensive play. Not legit. I could hit that. Not even a post situation, as the one before.
1.45: He spins past 6'7 freshman Brandon Stith(sounds a little like stiff). So again he gave him the baseline without knowing if there was help. You don't give a player an easy baseline spin if you don't have help nearby. Rookie mistake. But was also good decision making by Parker. He decided instantly and gave him no chance to rethink his retarded defense. So that was pretty neat. That's a move that could work against NBA bodies. I like it. So we finally have a good post move he took to the basket
You've shown me 3 post ups plays, in 2 of which the defense sucked so hard I could hear them choke all over the Atlantic. The 3rd move was good by PArker, but defense was pretty ****ty as well. Yet it was a good move that could translate against good players.
I'm done with this. Freakin foreigners.
I'm done with this. Freakin foreigners.
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Yeah its a little ridiculous that we are pigeon-holing the games of 18 year olds before they've even finished their freshman campaigns. I think people should use this time to observe, not judge. Just keep things at the back of your mind, try to track any improvement-- and then come forth with some postulations come draft-time.
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The jist of it is that BTP is saying that Parker has no post-game, and is unathletic. When he was shown video-evidence of said post-game, he is saying it that it was against poor defense-- conveniently ignoring the fact that Duke has played 5 games (mostly against unranked teams), and the ability to take advantage of poor-defense is a valuable skill; particularly when you take into account that the NBA isn't full of Larry Sanders post-defense savants.
I don't mind BTP either-- he just seems to have this pre-occupation with being 'right' and accusing another poster of being 'wrong'. The tone of his basketball-analyzing posts tends to come across as condescending at times, and its unfortunate because clearly he spends time studying the game.