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BTP said:
https://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/10072331/derrick-rose-rob-gronkowski-rise-acl-tears

Really awesome read about ACL injuries I found today. I really love it when medical expertise is dumbed down for normal mortal human beings.
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The one thing I read that I disagree with is the part about the pain. If you have an isolated ACL injury, you don't have much pain initially, but will in a few hours after the swelling comes along. When I tore mine, It didn't really hurt until later that night. Now if you have other knee injuries with it (MCL, LCL, meniscus) then you will have pain right away. Otherwise a good article.
 
UGLI baby said:
Utes and Kansas just scheduled a game next year.

Wright and Loveridge gonna dominate Wuggins and Embiid. (assuming Wright and Loveridge don't leave early for the NBA)
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Considering Wiggins and Embiid will be in the NBA... you just may be right, although Kansas will have other talented freshman. Its nice to see that Utah is scheduling a team that I've heard of.
 
sgjazzfan said:
The one thing I read that I disagree with is the part about the pain. If you have an isolated ACL injury, you don't have much pain initially, but will in a few hours after the swelling comes along. When I tore mine, It didn't really hurt until later that night. Now if you have other knee injuries with it (MCL, LCL, meniscus) then you will have pain right away. Otherwise a good article.
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Somewhere in the article there is this piece:
And Peterson had another piece of luck, if you can call tearing your ACL luck. He only tore his ACL and MCL. He didn't have a meniscus issue. As his physical therapist Russ Paine said, "Part of the reason for someone not returning back is not that they're not trying hard, but it's the status of the interior of the joint." A bad joint makes it much harder. According to Paine, Peterson's knee was pristine.
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I'd say this might explain that the pain stems from the additional damage your joint takes. But it wasn't pointed out directly. I guess you simply didn't injure your surroundings and others did that which caused the immediate pain.

It's really a bummer and I'm thinking Rose won't be the same after reading that whole thing and another medical report. About the stress you put on your knee playing basketball the way Rose does. How landing with your legs stretched influences your health compared to landing with your knee bent.
Now I should look how Wiggins lands after jumping ;) His style of play might make him susceptible for injuries how he can change direction and leap in traffic.
 
LazyD said:
Tight. Sounds legit. Would be good get.

Hantlers, give me the non-homer breakdown
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Young is very talented. As for his defense, I don't think he'll ever be elite, or close to it. He has a lot of skills, but he does not use them. Currently what I see is a player with a lot of skills, who plays for a coach who is very good at coaching defense, that doesn't play defense that well currently. I don't see that changing any time soon. I wouldn't have a problem drafting him, but I'm drafting him because of his offense, not his defense. He'll be league average at best IMO.
 
Also, BTP, I want you to know this is not a personal attack towards you.

The Andre Igoudala comparison to James Young is one of the worst that I've ever heard. Ever.
 
Hantlers said:
Also, BTP, I want you to know this is not a personal attack towards you.

The Andre Igoudala comparison to James Young is one of the worst that I've ever heard. Ever.
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We'll see. I just summarized Young's qualities and searched for a player who has similar. And by that method they're similar in strengths and weaknesses IMO.
 
adjusted 10 to

wiggins - even though I like Parker I will admit he is the best just question his killer instinct.

Parker - do it all offensively. very mature but what is his cieling?

randle - still believe he is a man beast but hasn't figured his identity yet.

embiid - yes I am buying his coolaid. I still say mutombo with better offense.

exum - out of sight out of mind. if he continues to just train and prepare for draft will open eyes at the combine.

smart - man child. best team leader in this draft. if he had a consistent shot might be top 3

Gordon - dropping some but plays an a talented team. what is his talent level?

vonleh - just the change in his body is impressive but defensively one of the best.

lavine - yes more coolaid but love his talent with athletism and shooting reminds me of a better Thompson.

Cauley-stein - have to go big here and his motor with his shot blocking instincts is impressive. he can anchor a defense.
 
BTP said:
We'll see. I just summarized Young's qualities and searched for a player who has similar. And by that method they're similar in strengths and weaknesses IMO.
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I dislike using steals as a significant statistic, but they do have some basis as a player.

As a freshman, Andre Igoudala only averaged 19 mpg compared to Young averaging 32 mpg. Igoudala did average 32 as a sophomore, but he was a year younger. Hard to compare that. Anyways, as a freshman, Igoudala averaged double the amount of steals that Young currently is. Young isn't shooting a great percentage currently, but he is a good shooter. Igoudala has never been a good shooter. There offensive games are incredibly different, I mean, just watch them play. Igoudala is an athletic freak, creates for others, does literally everything on the court...score, rebound, defend, pass...everything. I cannot say the same about Young. I'm not sure why you think they're similar, but they're not.
 
Hantlers said:
I dislike using steals as a significant statistic, but they do have some basis as a player.

As a freshman, Andre Igoudala only averaged 19 mpg compared to Young averaging 32 mpg. Igoudala did average 32 as a sophomore, but he was a year younger. Hard to compare that. Anyways, as a freshman, Igoudala averaged double the amount of steals that Young currently is. Young isn't shooting a great percentage currently, but he is a good shooter. Igoudala has never been a good shooter. There offensive games are incredibly different, I mean, just watch them play. Igoudala is an athletic freak, creates for others, does literally everything on the court...score, rebound, defend, pass...everything. I cannot say the same about Young. I'm not sure why you think they're similar, but they're not.
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I've like all your posts and agreed with nearly every point. However, steals is not only a poor indicator, but even more so on a Calipari team. He does not value steals, like, at all.
 
Hantlers said:
I dislike using steals as a significant statistic, but they do have some basis as a player.

As a freshman, Andre Igoudala only averaged 19 mpg compared to Young averaging 32 mpg. Igoudala did average 32 as a sophomore, but he was a year younger. Hard to compare that. Anyways, as a freshman, Igoudala averaged double the amount of steals that Young currently is. Young isn't shooting a great percentage currently, but he is a good shooter. Igoudala has never been a good shooter. There offensive games are incredibly different, I mean, just watch them play. Igoudala is an athletic freak, creates for others, does literally everything on the court...score, rebound, defend, pass...everything. I cannot say the same about Young. I'm not sure why you think they're similar, but they're not.
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actually I like the James young, nick young comparisons although James is a better player and no where near as selfish as nick and a better defender.
 
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