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Following potential 2014 draftees

fishonjazz said:
True, if that were to happen.
However, it is extremely unlikely..... Just look at last years draft (one of the worst drafts) for example: there are already at least three that turned out to be worth their salt (oladipo, burke, mcw) so im pretty certain that in one of the most highly acclaimed drafts of all time there will be more than 1 or 2 to turn out to be good.
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Two of those weren't talked about being top picks. More evidence that only 1 or 2 of the top 6 amazing guys are going to pan out.
 
fishonjazz said:
True, if that were to happen.
However, it is extremely unlikely..... Just look at last years draft (one of the worst drafts) for example: there are already at least three that turned out to be worth their salt (oladipo, burke, mcw) so im pretty certain that in one of the most highly acclaimed drafts of all time there will be more than 1 or 2 to turn out to be good.
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I find myself wanting to rep every post of yours that I read this morning.
 
LunaticWolf said:
Two of those weren't talked about being top picks. More evidence that only 1 or 2 of the top 6 amazing guys are going to pan out.
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Everyone knows a draft is a guessing game. I don't think the success of some individual players from last years draft says anything about potential draftees for this years class. They are different people. Yes, some may be multiple all-stars, some may not be that good. But last year doesn't provide any extra evidence or insight on players that will be drafted this year.
 
LunaticWolf said:
Two of those weren't talked about being top picks. More evidence that only 1 or 2 of the top 6 amazing guys are going to pan out.
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Vic went #2 Burke was projected to go as high as #4, and MCW was projected to go as high as in the top ten. Close enough, and in one of the weakest drafts of all time, you figure to have a ton of busts.
 
LunaticWolf said:
Two of those weren't talked about being top picks. More evidence that only 1 or 2 of the top 6 amazing guys are going to pan out.
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Don't forget a lot of good talented prospect pulled out of the draft last year and Noel was drafted with a major injury, and hasn't played yet. Also, there's a bunch of players drafted that are very young and raw that will be good but need time to develop (Greek Freek).
 
fishonjazz said:
True, if that were to happen.
However, it is extremely unlikely..... Just look at last years draft (one of the worst drafts) for example: there are already at least three that turned out to be worth their salt (oladipo, burke, mcw) so im pretty certain that in one of the most highly acclaimed drafts of all time there will be more than 1 or 2 to turn out to be good.
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And don't forget that 2 of the top 10 haven't played yet due to injury. Also, why are we calling players busts less than half way into their rookie seasons? Is Favors a bust? What about Kanter, Burks? Give them more than 30 games before you decide the fate of their careers.
 
If you're going to compare the 2014 draft to another draft, it's 2003 not 2013. And yeah, 4 of the top 5 DID pan out.

But I hate conversations like these. Comparisons about anything in life are stupid. Analogies are logical fallacies.
 
LunaticWolf said:
Gonna be a sad day for teams when only 1or2 of these guys turn out to be worth their salt. #DraftHype
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In this post you don't mention a certain range of players in the draft..... so it seems you are saying that only 1or2 players in the ENTIRE DRAFT will be worth their salt
 
spycam1 said:
If you're going to compare the 2014 draft to another draft, it's 2003 not 2013. And yeah, 4 of the top 5 DID pan out.

But I hate conversations like these. Comparisons about anything in life are stupid. Analogies are logical fallacies.
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And how many 2003s has there been in the history of the draft?
 
fishonjazz said:
In this post you don't mention a certain range of players in the draft..... so it seems you are saying that only 1or2 players in the ENTIRE DRAFT will be worth their salt
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I think it is pretty clear when I say "these guys" I'm talking about Wiggins down to Smart. That is all anyone is taking about.
 
LunaticWolf said:
I think it is pretty clear when I say "these guys" I'm talking about Wiggins down to Smart. That is all anyone is taking about.
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Ok fine.... I believe that out of wiggins, jabari, embiid, randle, smart, and exum that at least 3 of them end up as quality starters.
Im quite sure that in 3 or 4 years it will look pretty dumb that you thought otherwise.
 
LunaticWolf said:
I think it is pretty clear when I say "these guys" I'm talking about Wiggins down to Smart. That is all anyone is taking about.
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I respect the point you are trying to make, but please watch Anthony Bennett play. Then, go watch Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Joel Embiid, and Julius Randle play, and maybe you will re-evaluate your opinion.
 
LunaticWolf said:
And how many 2003s has there been in the history of the draft?
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Exactly, which is why this draft is so special!
(the 2003 draft was hyped up just like this one is and look at what happened)
 
LazyD said:
I respect the point you are trying to make, but please watch Anthony Bennett play. Then, go watch Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker, Joel Embiid, and Julius Randle play, and maybe you will re-evaluate your opinion.
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I understand. But to play devils advocate, Adam Morrison looked great.
 
LunaticWolf said:
Hype is hype. The chances of that happening are really slim.
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I disagree.

I believe there is a good reason why 2003 and 2014 drafts are way more hyped than any of the ones in between.
Its because it is EASY to see that there is A LOT more talent in those drafts than the other ones
 
LunaticWolf said:
Hype is hype. The chances of that happening are really slim.
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How so? There is no way to know until the draft is over and the players have played a season or two in the NBA. I'd say the chances are just as good that the draft lives up to the hype. No one can prove or disprove it at this point in time, so saying one way or the other is a guess at this point.
 
LunaticWolf said:
I understand. But to play devils advocate, Adam Morrison looked great.
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Also, watch Adam Morrison and then watch these players. It's clear they are different levels athletically, which was Morrison's biggest detriment.

But you're right, not everyone in the top ten will be an all-star. But saying players q,r, and s didn't pan out and therefore players x,y from this year will be busts isn't supportive to your reasoning.
 
LunaticWolf said:
Two of those weren't talked about being top picks. More evidence that only 1 or 2 of the top 6 amazing guys are going to pan out.
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Perhaps instead of saying that based on past history of drafts (which is completely irrelevant btw) there will only be 1-2 players that pan out, you should analyze each player specifically and make that judgment. Again, each draft is different and each player is different.

Basically what you're saying is that since Kenyon Martin went #1, every #1 pick is going to be an average to slightly above-average player for his career. Or that since LeBron went #1, any high schooler that could potentially come out in the future is going to be a bonafide star in the league. Basically what I'm saying is that your argument sucks. If you still feel strongly about what you're saying, come back with an analysis of the players and tell us why you don't think they'll be good. Don't just point to past results in the draft and expect that to be a solid argument.
 
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