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Hotttnickkk said:
I'd be very very happy getting Gordon at #6.


But to pick him over Wiggins, Jabari, Embiid, Exum and Randle (in that order) would be reaching, IMO.
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I put Gordon over randle for the jazz because I think Gordon can play the 3. randle is a pure 4.

I also agree completely with pkm that Gordon begins to give the jazz an identity. defense.
 
ljnapoli said:
What happened to the Vonleh hype lol. I'd be happy if we drafted him at 5/6.
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I like vonleh a lot but his passive nature worries me some. he is very similar to favors with a lot better range. he would help with a team identity but chances are the jazz would have to trade kanter but what small forward could the get. deng?
 
Agree with most people in this thread on Gordon.

1-3, you don't even consider him. Wiggins, Parker, Embiid - in some order. 4 and beyond, it's a matter of preference. You can make an argument for any of the next tier - Randle, Gordon, Smart, Exum, Vonleh. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
 
the thing that gives me cold feet about Gordon is his touch around the rim

GordonTroubleORebs_1.gif


ive always despised Jared Jeffries, after Isaiah Thomas signed him to a 6 year 30mil contract on the 2006 knicks(to defend 2-4).. he was atrocious and constantly missed layups and easy shots. of all the ****ty Offensive wing players ive seen Jeffries really stands out so i use him as the bottom of the scale
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and im worried Gordon ranks somewhere on the scale of Jeffries ineptitude, he misses bunnies.. sometimes he really clanks them too
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MPG- PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
32.6 13.8 44.2 24.5 62.0-- 2.4- 6.9 1.2 - 0.9 - jeffries frosh #'s
31.2 12.4 49.5 35.6 42.2-- 2.0- 8.0 1.0 - 0.9 - gordon's frosh #'s

its not so much about efficiency or %'s that im worried about(as he will pad his stats in transition/on putbacks/lobs), its simply will he be too predictable in the halfcourt without a 3point shot or mid range game to keep defenses honest
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
the thing that gives me cold feet about Gordon is his touch around the rim

GordonTroubleORebs_1.gif


ive always despised Jared Jeffries, after Isaiah Thomas signed him to a 6 year 30mil contract on the 2006 knicks(to defend 2-4).. he was atrocious and constantly missed layups and easy shots. of all the ****ty Offensive wing players ive seen Jeffries really stands out so i use him as the bottom of the scale
GordonTroubleORebs2_1.gif

and im worried Gordon ranks somewhere on the scale of Jeffries ineptitude, he misses bunnies.. sometimes he really clanks them too
GordonJabDrive_1.gif



MPG- PPG FG% 3FG% FT% APG RPG BPG SPG
32.6 13.8 44.2 24.5 62.0-- 2.4- 6.9 1.2 - 0.9 - jeffries frosh #'s
31.2 12.4 49.5 35.6 42.2-- 2.0- 8.0 1.0 - 0.9 - gordon's frosh #'s

its not so much about efficiency or %'s that im worried about(as he will pad his stats in transition/on putbacks/lobs), its simply will he be too predictable in the halfcourt without a 3point shot or mid range game to keep defenses honest
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He put a finger roll in the last game that was unbelievably easy looking. Cold feet denied.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
38" no step would have been the best at the combine last year, no ones ever registered over 40" no-step. i know Payne can jump id bet his vertical is close to 40", not standing though.

i dont mind selecting Payne in the late teens or early 20's im just not a fan of selecting players that old in the 1st round, Payne certainly deserves his grade, im not sold on his ability to score with consistence in the paint at the NBA level, i think if scouts were more comfortable with that hed sneak up close to the lottery

it would be interesting having him here as a rookie, hed be older than half the active roster...(the other Rook, Derrick, Alec, Enes, Trey, Rudy)
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I don't think Payne needs to be consistent in the paint if you mean by that back to basket game. I think he'd be way more efficient if he swarmed the 3 point line, played pick and pop and created from the elbow. To play like this he's obvi got to improve his handle. But big men usually learn way longer, especially one with a learning disorder who's made his biggest improvements at ages 21 and 22.

He's converting around 70% close to the basket. His verticality will allow him to get his hand on misses just as good as Favors does it. He's got a good instincts when to go after the ball, often catches them at the apex of his jump.

I don't like his hook going to the middle, but his drop step and spin is okayish. His good shooting touch allows him to fade baseline and hit turnaround Js. But I'd rather use him as a pure stretch.

If you have a senior who's 1 year older due to an extra year in highschool who's in the mix for most improved player, that's a good thing right?

He improved his decision making and takes better care of the ball.

He'll need a very sensitive/experienced assistant coach who works with him on understanding the game, spends a lot of hours in the filmroom explaining him team concepts so he understands them and is able to execute them properly. That will both improve his defense and decision making on offense.

PointGod_AlecBurks said:
yeah that finger roll is polished and NBA ready... here it is vs defensive dynamo Jabari Parker
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You can see in this gif how he doesn't have the tremendous handles that allow him to feast. He dribbles it very loose in transition when he's alone.
Rodney Hood didn't bother his drive at all and his lack of handles allowed him granpa style acceleration. With his athleticism he should dunk the ball in this situation, but lack of speed and control doesn't allow him to get air below his feet properly.
 
The Thriller said:
I agree.

But the bandwagon I've seen over the past week or so for Gordon has reached silly heights.

As badly as we need to improve on defense we need to bring in a go to player. A franchise offensive player that we can run our offense through. I'd feel a lot more confident in our future going with Parker, Wiggins, or Randle than with Gordon.
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I'd rather have Parker or Wiggins too, but I think Aaron might be the best option if we end up 5-7. Yes, there are question marks, and he is nowhere close to a sure thing. I think there is potential there to be B Griffin type of player, so he needs to be looked at. That's why we really dont want to be outside the top 3 so we don't have to stress out this much.

Lets pray to the draft Gods, and hope we move up via virtual ping pong balls.
 
PKM said:
Early
Young
Warren

All have work to do but very intriguing upsides.
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Warren would be redundant with his midrange game to Burks and Hayward. Unless you think you can remodel his 3pointer. But that will take some time and patience. More patience than time I guess ;)
 
Yeah.. at this point I love Early with our 2nd pick. Something about the way he carries himself that screams he'll get much better and could be steal of the draft.
 
A-Train said:
I would throw Stauskas in there as well.
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Stauskas is a shooter- those three guys aren't necessarily. I like Early and Warren, but I'm not sure either are really known as shooters. Young probably shouldn't even be drafted - if you're going to play in the NBA, you should probably be good at something. Best thing Young could do is work hard on is game, go back to Kentucky and hope to develop into a good basketball player. The athleticism is there, he just isn't good at basketball at this point.
 
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