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PointGod_AlecBurks said:
where did i say anything about value for championship purposes??? lol

and wow did you debunk DRtg... lol

your durant example shows that statistics meant for the course of a season, can be skewed to look ridiculous if you have 1 really good game and just use that as the sample size?? that example holds no weight over the course of season

you obviously have no idea how individual DRtg works, read up.

The core of the Defensive Rating calculation is the concept of the individual Defensive Stop. Stops take into account the instances of a player ending an opposing possession that are tracked in the boxscore (blocks, steals, and defensive rebounds), in addition to an estimate for the number of forced turnovers and forced misses by the player which aren't captured by steals and blocks.

The formula for Stops is:

Stops = Stops1 + Stops2
where:

Stops1 = STL + BLK * FMwt * (1 - 1.07 * DOR%) + DRB * (1 - FMwt)
FMwt = (DFG% * (1 - DOR%)) / (DFG% * (1 - DOR%) + (1 - DFG%) * DOR%)
DOR% = Opponent_ORB / (Opponent_ORB + Team_DRB)
DFG% = Opponent_FGM / Opponent_FGA
Stops2 = (((Opponent_FGA - Opponent_FGM - Team_BLK) / Team_MP) * FMwt * (1 - 1.07 * DOR%) + ((Opponent_TOV - Team_STL) / Team_MP)) * MP + (PF / Team_PF) * 0.4 * Opponent_FTA * (1 - (Opponent_FTM / Opponent_FTA))^2
Also necessary is the calculation of Stop%, which is the rate at which a player forces a defensive stop as a percentage of individual possessions faced (essentially the inverse of Floor%, but for defenders):

Stop% = (Stops * Opponent_MP) / (Team_Possessions * MP)
With those numbers in hand, individual Defensive Rating can be computed:

DRtg = Team_Defensive_Rating + 0.2 * (100 * D_Pts_per_ScPoss * (1 - Stop%) - Team_Defensive_Rating)
where:

Team_Defensive_Rating = 100 * (Opponent_PTS / Team_Possessions)
D_Pts_per_ScPoss = Opponent_PTS / (Opponent_FGM + (1 - (1 - (Opponent_FTM / Opponent_FTA))^2) * Opponent_FTA*0.4)
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Read the edit I formulated 15 min before you posted yours:
Individual DRtg = Trash. It's largely based on team success and rewards gamblers.

And you not properly reading my example for Durant shows again: If you're a player who doesn't get a single stop but completely shuts down an opponent individual DRtg doesn't show that.
That alone is why it's trash. Rewards guys who are pure stat sheet stuffer and gamblers.

Defense is a thing of understanding the game and having superior tools and actually using them.
Right now you measure it with your eye and obtain assistance with useful stats like the SportsVU rim protection stats I posted yesterday.

Team defensive rating shows how good a team/lineup functions as a whole and how good of a job the coach does. Nuttin else.
 
and btp i dont accept your apology, go **** yourself

just realized i had to explain to your dumb *** this same exact thing last year
 
BTP said:
Read the edit I formulated 15 min before you posted yours:
Individual DRtg = Trash. It's largely based on team success and rewards gamblers.

And you not properly reading my example for Durant shows again: If you're a player who doesn't get a single stop but completely shuts down an opponent individual DRtg doesn't show that.
That alone is why it's trash. Rewards guys who are pure stat sheet stuffer and gamblers.

Defense is a thing of understanding the game and having superior tools and actually using them.
Right now you measure it with your eye and obtain assistance with useful stats like the SportsVU rim protection stats I posted yesterday.

Team defensive rating shows how good a team/lineup functions as a whole and how good of a job the coach does. Nuttin else.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
and btp i dont accept your apology, go **** yourself

just realized i had to explain to your dumb *** this same exact thing last year
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haha. You didn't even read what I criticize. WTF. You're like super delusional. Just understand the parts that define individual DRtg. Doesn't hold up unless it confirms what you see with your eye.
 
Good stuff guys...


BTP's scenario makes sense to me. It's a team sport. So it's not actually possible to track correctly how a player does individually on the court - that's why you'll need scouts attending games or study film. Can't just rely on stats.
 
^^^

As an add on, I've always wanted to measure the level of "Hunger" a player has, and rate it on a scale. I guess it's just one of those things you could only quantify by watching games after games after games, and really getting to know the player personally.


#Hungry
 
Hotttnickkk said:
^^^

As an add on, I've always wanted to measure the level of "Hunger" a player has, and rate it on a scale. I guess it's just one of those things you could only quantify by watching games after games after games, and really getting to know the player personally.


#Hungry
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Hi!

This really isn't a good post btw
 
Hotttnickkk said:
Good stuff guys...


BTP's scenario makes sense to me. It's a team sport. So it's not actually possible to track correctly how a player does individually on the court - that's why you'll need scouts attending games or study film. Can't just rely on stats.
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And you want to single out players for their defense............

hypocritical much?

Sent from the JazzFanz app
 
for people who say parker's defense is terrible...i dont think you've seen enough of harden yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J7XX0TGfsQ
 
yamers said:
for people who say parker's defense is terrible...i dont think you've seen enough of harden yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J7XX0TGfsQ
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Everyone knows Harden sucks on D, it's one of the main reasons why Houston isn't considered a huge threat to win it all. Pacer's considered a threat because they can play defense. If the Rockets had Paul George instead of Harden, they would be a legit contender.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Everyone knows Harden sucks on D, it's one of the main reasons why Houston isn't considered a huge threat to win it all. Pacer's considered a threat because they can play defense. If the Rockets had Paul George instead of Harden, they would be a legit contender.
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I disagree. I think Houston would be worse with George instead of Harden.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
Everyone knows Harden sucks on D, it's one of the main reasons why Houston isn't considered a huge threat to win it all. Pacer's considered a threat because they can play defense. If the Rockets had Paul George instead of Harden, they would be a legit contender.
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LazyD said:
I disagree. I think Houston would be worse with George instead of Harden.
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I agree with Lazy. George is not yet a legit first option on offense.

Problem for Houston is that Parsons is not a good defender either and that's why they can't hide Harden against the less talented wing if the opponent has only one legit high quality wing.

As a Houston fan it would cause me headaches to know that Harden was better defensively with OKC, so it's not like he can't do it, but more like that McHale is either bad or he lost interest in defending once he wasn't behind Durant + Westbrook any more.
 
LazyD said:
I disagree. I think Houston would be worse with George instead of Harden.
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I agree.

I like elite offense better than elite defense.

I see players play perfect defense and still get scored on by great offensive players all the time.

Paul george is a very good defender but be cant shut down durant, harden, lebron, mellow, etc etc. And even if he was able to, then a team can just use a screen/pick to free the offensive player from the great defensive player
 
fishonjazz said:
I agree.

I like elite offense better than elite defense.

I see players play perfect defense and still get scored on by great offensive players all the time.

Paul george is a very good defender but be cant shut down durant, harden, lebron, mellow, etc etc. And even if he was able to, then a team can just use a screen/pick to free the offensive player from the great defensive player
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If it was that easy, why doesn't Lebron just screen/pick to isolate the center every possession?
 
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