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@Hekate it looks legit.

one minor thing I will say is I dont think Clint Capela goes in the teens. It sounds like he underwhelmed people at the hoops summit practices despite being a year older than anyone on the team, and only ended up getting 14 minutes in the game.

I still think hes in the 1st round but im about 85% sure he will be on the board when the jazz select at 23
 
Dario Saric is the MVP of the final tournament of ABA League. The player, that has been previously named the Most Improved Player of 2013/14 season, has taken his team towards the champions' title with a double double. In the final, he topped Cibona's scorers' list with 23 points scored, grabbed 11 rebounds, dished out 7 assists, blocked 5 shots and was the true leader of his team.

He also shined for the wolves in the semi-final game against Crvena zvezda Telekom, with another double double – 21 points, 15 rebounds and 6 assists. The wonderkid, who was named the 2013 Young Player of the Year by FIBA Europe, was dominant in the regular season as well, when he collected the highest average index rating amongst all players in the league – 21.15.

Damn, very impressive..
 
Hantlers said:
UPDATE: Dario Saric has moved up to my #5 spot, provided he enters the draft that is. IMO, he makes this a top 5 heavy draft.
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Damn! I thought I was Saric's biggest supporter.
PKM said:
#5 - Vonleh
#6 - Gordon
#7 - Smart
#13 - Saric
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this. I would however tak Saric with the 10th pick
Hekate said:
1. Andrew Wiggins
2. Jabari Parker
3. Dante Exum
4. Joel Embiid
5. Aaron Gordon
6. Noah Vonleh
7. Dario Saric
8. Marcus Smart
9. Julius Randle
10. Jusuf Nurkic
11. Tyler Ennis
12. Doug McDermott
13. Gary Harris
14. Nik Stauskas
15. James Young
16. Kyle Anderson
17. TJ Warren
18. Clint Capela
19. K.J McDaniels
20. Elfrid Payton
21. Rodney Hood
22. Jerami Grant
23. Bogdan Bogdanovic
24. Zach Lavine
25. Cleanthony Early
26. Shabazz Napier
27. Adreian Payne
28. PJ Hairston
29. DeAndre Daniels
30. Deronte Burton

I don't know much about the non-lottery picks but this is my mock. Nitpick all you want.
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So, is everyone starting to put Exum over Embiid, because of the injury questions? Honestly. I don't think any of us know enough about Exum to put him over Embiid. I'm not an Exum hater, just can't understand how some can put their faith in someone who is an unknown over Embiid who could be the best big in the league in a few years. I have no problem putting Exum 4th or 5th solely on some scouts reports, but to trust some scout enough to put him over Embiid is a little reckless.
 
Thee jazz fan said:
So, is everyone starting to put Exum over Embiid, because of the injury questions? Honestly. I don't think any of us know enough about Exum to put him over Embiid. I'm not an Exum hater, just can't understand how some can put their faith in someone who is an unknown over Embiid who could be the best big in the league in a few years. I have no problem putting Exum 4th or 5th solely on some scouts reports, but to trust some scout enough to put him over Embiid is a little reckless.
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That's why they call it faith.

(I like Embiid better .. just about everyone here does)
 
Hantlers said:
Nope. Not trolling, just taking a gamble.

I really like his size, skills, and production.
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spycam1 said:
Sell me on Vonleh.
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I think Vonleh should be able to do most of the things Harrison Barnes does out on the perimeter, but Vonleh is bigger and longer, with more inside game and with a legit defensive presence. The question is how quick and explosive he is. If he develops his offensive repertoire, he *might* have some of the qualities of a Chris Bosh or Lamarcus Aldridge. If he shows decent athleticism at the combine and in workouts, he'll show he's got upside. He doesn't look like a first-option offensive player, but maybe he could become one. Starting at about #5 in this draft, you have to give him a look although he's not a sure thing. I think he's the Lamar Odom or Terrence Jones of this draft.

He seems somewhere in the Harrison Barnes --> Rashard Lewis --> Chris Bosh spectrum.


As for Saric, I don't know jack diddly dang-a-lang about him. He didn't look particularly quick or explosive, so I worry about his transition to the NBA. My guess is that Lindsey went to Europe to scout him. I think everyone's bracing themselves to end up with the 5th or 6th pick. Saric, Gordon and Smart are probably all in play.
 
I like Saric I think he gets drafted in the top 10.

But my biggest question is in part his size though. hes proven himself a PF in my book and without great strength, wingspan(6'10") or explosion i wonder about how well the physical aspect of his game translates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHHnGQLBapM heres some highlights from the Final
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
I like Saric I think he gets drafted in the top 10.

But my biggest question is in part his size though. hes proven himself a PF in my book and without great strength, wingspan(6'10") or explosion i wonder about how well the physical aspect of his game translates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHHnGQLBapM heres some highlights from the Final
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He looks like a pass-happy Turkoglu.
 
I think both Saric and Vonleh are worth looking at for #5 or #6. Unless you believe in Smart being an impact player, I think you're looking at a combo-forward with upside---Gordon, Vonleh, Saric--or you're debating if Randle is in anyway an upgrade over Kanter as a PF due to his 'hunger.'

I think Saric's upside is limited, but he looks like a nice complementary player--can shoot and pass. I just think if he gets chased off the 3-pt. line his efficiency will drop pretty fast. I'm not sure he can really dig into the paint and score the ball. Whereas I think both Gordon and Vonleh will be able to score inside.

It's not a bad set of options to have: you've got Gordon the defensive specialist, Saric the true stretch-4 with passing ability, and Vonleh with a mix of inside/outside offense/defense. Personally, I'd give the nod to Vonleh unless Saric shows he's going to shoot the lights out. I just need to see if Vonleh has much quickness.

Which brings me to my next point--why not take a look at McDermott too? Let him space the floor for the Burk Bros. and our bigs. If he gets chased off the 3-pt. line he'll still hit from mid-range.
 
The sell on Vonleh is hes the only PF who figures to be big enough to guard BIG PF's like Dirk, LMA, Love, Davis, Duncan, Bosh and Monroe

hes already stronger than many of those guys at 18 years old and figures to have the strength to really bang with any PF's projecting forward, hes really built well for a big, with short legs, a low center of gravity and a strong backside. Noah fits alot of the classic things you look for like finishing with both hands, including hook shots, huge hands and a soft touch around the basket, hes very active and runs like a deer, very mobile

last season in the NBA there were only 4 qualified PF's who shot over 80% from the line, i think thats attainable for Noah in his first few years

Noah's legitimately a great kid, very motivated and a major workaholic, he finished 43% of his bachelors degree. top notch work ethic and its payed major dividends in the past few years, theres plenty of reason to believe hes just scratching the surface

48.5% from 3 isnt a fluke, its not the best gauge for how good of a shooter he is but its certainly enough to be optimistic
 
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Agree with this. I think Vonleh has a real shot at going #5 in the draft.

Burke/Hayward/Vonleh/Kanter/Favors

Nice length, decent offense, strong rebounding, adequate floor balance...

...if Vonleh has enough quickness to contain on defense out on the perimeter.
 
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