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em·brace
emˈbrās/: accept or support willingly and enthusiastically.

You support, enthusiastically, Gordon's poor shooting? That's odd.

I, personally, hope he gets much better at it if we select him, but to each their own, eh?
 
Bodhi said:
em·brace
emˈbrās/: accept or support willingly and enthusiastically.

You support, enthusiastically, Gordon's poor shooting? That's odd.

I, personally, hope he gets much better at it if we select him, but to each there own, eh?
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Accept willingly that he is a bad shooter.
 
Embrace

An act of accepting or supporting something willingly or enthusiastically.

Point made.
 
Andrew Wiggins had more 40+ point games than Vonleh had 20+ point games.

Just a fun fact.. ;)
 
in the context of his age, height, weight, hand-size and college position you'd have to conceed that vonleh's shooting is pretty good, based on 3pt and FT%'s, no?

how would you characterize his shooting? average? overrated? does he not get great rotation or arc on his shot?

it was not in IU's offense to put him in a position to shoot 3's constantly, him starting out the Wisconsin upset with 2 3's in the opening minutes was not something you saw earlier in the season.

you can take whatever stretch of games you want and point out the good and bad, its all relevant i guess.

in conference and out of conference play is always something that at least deserves a look, kids playing in big conferences see a major step up in competition, in 16 B10 games Vonleh shot 15-25.. i dont see how pointing out that he wasnt shooting 3's in certan stretches of the season can disprove that proficiency in the B10

Kelly Olynyk never took more than .9 3's per game in 3 years of college. i dont remember too many posters last season questioning the quality of his shooting.
 
Bodhi said:
em·brace
emˈbrās/: accept or support willingly and enthusiastically.

You support, enthusiastically, Gordon's poor shooting? That's odd.

I, personally, hope he gets much better at it if we select him, but to each their own, eh?
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PointGod_AlecBurks said:
in the context of his age, height, weight, hand-size and college position you'd have to conceed that vonleh's shooting is pretty good, based on 3pt and FT%'s, no?

how would you characterize his shooting? average? overrated? does he not get great rotation or arc on his shot?

it was not in IU's offense to put him in a position to shoot 3's constantly, him starting out the Wisconsin upset with 2 3's in the opening minutes was not something you saw earlier in the season.

you can take whatever stretch of games you want and point out the good and bad, its all relevant i guess.

in conference and out of conference play is always something that at least deserves a look, kids playing in big conferences see a major step up in competition, in 16 B10 games Vonleh shot 15-25.. i dont see how pointing out that he wasnt shooting 3's in certan stretches of the season can disprove that proficiency in the B10

Kelly Olynyk never took more than .9 3's per game in 3 years of college. i dont remember too many posters last season questioning the quality of his shooting.
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Nice stat, what was his 3pt% in the NCAA Tournament or NIT when it matters the most? Also, I think he is a little above average shooter for his height and position, but don't see him having NBA range nor being a great shooter.
 
White Chocolate said:
Andrew Wiggins had more 40+ point games than Vonleh had 20+ point games.

Just a fun fact.. ;)
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How many 20 point games did Derrick Favors have? 2? is that really all that much better.

Nerlens Noel had no 20 point games, Neither did Steven Adams all 3 played C in college, are they all doomed by this pivotal indicator?

for all the lack of 20 pt scoring capability, per 40 mins he averaged 17 points on 10.9 shots

He had 18 points in 24 minutes vs Washington in a blowout, if that game was close he'd easily have had 20 points.
 
When it matters the most.

Aaron Gordon in (4) NCAA Tournament games was 4-6 from three which is 66.6%.

Noah Vonleh in the NCAA Tournament/NIT was 0-0 from three which is 0%.
 
White Chocolate said:
Noah Vonleh is a scoring machine and Aaron Gordon can't score to save his life, right?
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This is a case in point what is wrong with Internet message boards. This is a dumb comment and not honest to a real debate. You make up both sides of the argument to make sure you win. I'll give you my login and you can be certain to win whatever it is you think there is to win or we can have an honest to goodness, adult, debate.

I've never once said NV is the scorer we need. Ever. I'm not trying to advocate the best at any one thing. Just the BPA AT #5 in the 2014 NBA Draft. I don't feel the need to 'marry' and then defend any of these guys. I'm going to use the info I have, the games I've watched and the past experience I've had as a guy that really enjoys the draft and has followed it for 15+ years.

Call them 'Player A and Player B', or Noah Vonleh and Aaron Gordon. I genuinely don't care. I like real debates with informed and open people. Not "I've decided this is my guy and I'll make up and cherry pick any stat I can find to prove my guy right". I just want to have my sports team get the best player at the position we pick at. I don't think you have the same motivation.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
How many 20 point games did Derrick Favors have? 2? is that really all that much better.

Nerlens Noel had no 20 point games, Neither did Steven Adams all 3 played C in college, are they all doomed by this pivotal indicator?

for all the lack of 20 pt scoring capability, per 40 mins he averaged 17 points on 10.9 shots

He had 18 points in 24 minutes vs Washington in a blowout, if that game was close he'd easily have had 20 points.
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Derrick Favors for crying out loud had 2 20+ point games and in no means is anyone calling him a great scorer. Noel is known as a defender, so that argument is irrelevant and Adams was never known as a scorer either.
 
White Chocolate said:
Damn, I got so owned man. How am I going to recover? I will be back in a couple of days after I do.

First off, you said it yourself using four games of analysis is meaningless, he had a hot stretch of four games where he shot 8-11 from three, which was 1/3 of his total threes on the season.

Yeah let's use his last 17 games, because he played 30 and 17 is half of that. Out of the last 17 games, he didn't ATTEMPT a three in 8 of those which is just a little less than half. Add 3 games to that where he just made 1 three. So out of his last 17 games, 8 of them he didn't even attempt a three and 3 of them he made only one 3.

But he started taking more threes at a higher frequency and made a higher frequency of them right? Laughable, once again 20 out of his 30 games he didn't make a three. Once again 0 out of his 30 games he never once had a game where he scored 20+ points.

He took 15 shots in two games and couldn't even hit 20 points? One game he even attempted 16 free throws and still couldn't hit 20!

Since you want to bring Malone into this, his freshman year he averaged 20.9 PPG for crying out loud. While Vonleh couldn't hit 20 points once his freshman year, Malone was averaging more than 20 points a game his freshman year.

Karl as a freshman averaged 20 and 10, so I don't think it was his fault he couldn't lead them to the tourny. I would say the same for Vonleh, but he averaged 11 and 9.

Using your logic, A. Gordon during his last 17 games at Arizona he went 9-19 from three, which is a very good 47.3% from three.

Please keep on coming with the weak-sauce arguments, and before anyone brings it up again the A. Gordon supporters embrace that he isn't a good shooter, but the Vonleh supporters say he is a great shooter.
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I hate when people use numbers to prove a point, and try to act as an expert even though you haven't watched a single game, because if you knew anything about The team Vonleh played for you would realize how foolish your argument was.

Vonleh was so under used, and out of position, only played 26 min a game, and only touched the ball a few times a game, and yet as a freshman totaled 11pts. 9 boards a game.

Instead of spewing **** out your ***, you should've just asked why he didn't make a three in 20-30 games, or why he didn't once score twenty in a single game. First it's called opportunity and to do these things you need to have lots of opportunities, and Vonleh had few on that pathetic excuse of a team.

Maybe you should stick to the things you actually know... That's right. That would mean we'd never hear from you here again ever.


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Bodhi said:
This is a case in point what is wrong with Internet message boards. This is a dumb comment and not honest to a real debate. You make up both sides of the argument to make sure you win. I'll give you my login and you can be certain to win whatever it is you think there is to win or we can have an honest to goodness, adult, debate.

I've never once said NV is the scorer we need. Ever. I'm not trying to advocate the best at any one thing. Just the BPA AT #5 in the 2014 NBA Draft. I don't feel the need to 'marry' and then defend any of these guys. I'm going to use the info I have, the games I've watched and the past experience I've had as a guy that really enjoys the draft and has followed it for 15+ years.

Call them 'Player A and Player B', or Noah Vonleh and Aaron Gordon. I genuinely don't care. I like real debates with informed and open people. Not "I've decided this is my guy and I'll make up and cherry pick any stat I can find to prove my guy right". I just want to have my sports team get the best player at the position we pick at. I don't think you have the same motivation.
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I'm just tired of this nonsense that Vonleh is a great shooter or scorer. He's a player in Derrick Favors body who is less of a defender than Derrick Favors, but can hit a three every once in a while.
 
White Chocolate said:
When it matters the most.

Aaron Gordon in (4) NCAA Tournament games was 4-6 from three which is 66.6%.

Noah Vonleh in the NCAA Tournament/NIT was 0-0 from three which is 0%.
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If you truly believe that, then you must have some mental problems. The tournaments don't mean crap in college. Especially to potentially good NBA players.
 
White Chocolate said:
Nice stat, what was his 3pt% in the NCAA Tournament or NIT when it matters the most? Also, I think he is a little above average shooter for his height and position, but don't see him having NBA range nor being a great shooter.
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What about for his age and college positon, his shooting was 'a little average' to you? did you see him make the 5 straight 3's in that lakers video?
"He can shoot the ball out way past the arc. For a stretch four, that's what you want," said Ryan Blake, senior director of NBA scouting operations.
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what concerns have you noticed in regards to his range?
 
Thee jazz fan said:
I hate when people use numbers to prove a point, and try to act as an expert even though you haven't watched a single game, because if you knew anything about The team Vonleh played for you would realize how foolish your argument was.

Vonleh was so under used, and out of position, only played 26 min a game, and only touched the ball a few times a game, and yet as a freshman totaled 11pts. 9 boards a game.

Instead of spewing **** out your ***, you should've just asked why he didn't make a three in 20-30 games, or why he didn't once score twenty in a single game. First it's called opportunity and to do these things you need to have lots of opportunities, and Vonleh had few on that pathetic excuse of a team.

Maybe you should stick to the things you actually know... That's right. That would mean we'd never hear from you here again ever.


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We didn't hear anything about Noah Vonleh until the combine, who ****ing watched Indiana this season? I guarantee you didn't watch more than 3 games that included Noah Vonleh in.
 
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