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Following potential 2014 draftees

mellow said:
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Sacramento's worst nightmare is to be sitting at 8 and Smart, Exum, Randle & Vonleh are off the board. As Jazz4ever pointed out they have had a long line of failed draft projects, it would be really hard for them to take another project with a risk of failure. Maybe that is why they are working out prospects like hood, Lavine, and Payton. Trading back isn't a bad thing for them.

Last years draft was wild with trades, I think it will be more so this year. Buckle up!
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I do't think they'd be giving lavine any attention if they want to avoid a project
 
Catchall said:
I'll go on record to say I'll be really, really surprised if the Jazz actually draft Aaron Gordon. I just don't see the coordination or the offensive skills, either on the perimeter or in the post, to justify even considering him along with Randle, Vonleh and Exum. I think the buzz he's getting in Boston and Utah (if any, for that matter) is a smokescreen. He may not even go top 8, depending on what Sacramento does.
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This is how I feel as well.
 
PKM said:
This is how I feel as well.
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Same.

IMO, PKM nailed it when he wrote "gimmicky". To-me, Its not that his game lacks substance, its just at #5 overall there's cause for concern about what he brings to the table on offense.

Assuming his improvement is fair, but the criticism of "how many have improved from the point where hes at now" is valid too.

I like to compare body types, and find multiple examples, what I've found is that Aaron Gordon is certainly more comparable to a SF than a PF.

Aaron Gordon is the same size as Rudy Gay, minus the long arms.

I cant believe Philly would let him slide past 10, thats his basement in this draft IMO.

If he had any semblance of a post game, it would've helped his stock immensely.
 
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 2m
Source: The Bulls may trade both of their first-rounders (#16 and #19) for future firsts, to free up cap space for Carmelo Anthony pursuit.


Lets trade our 23rd for a future 1st or sell for cash and buy the 16th.
 
My final Draft Tiers and Ratings

Tier 1

Wiggins 99
Embiid 98
Parker 97
Vonleh 97
Exum 97

Teir 2

Julius Randle 95
Doug McDermott 94
Marcus Smart 92
Aaron Gordon 92
Jusuf Nurkic 91
Rodney Hood 91
Zach LaVine 90
Nik Stauskas 90
Dario Saric 90

Teir 3

Adriean Payne 89
TJ Warren 89
Tyler Ennis 89
Elfrid Payton 89
James Young 88

Teir 4

PJ Hairston 86
Bogdan Bogdanovic 86
Clint Capela 86
Jordan Clarkson 86
Shabazz Napier 85
Kyle Anderson 85
Walter Tavares 85
Cleanthony Early 85
KJ McDaniels 84
Jerami Grant 84
Jarnell Stokes 84

Tier 5

Spencer Dinwiddie 84
Damien Inglis 82
Vasilije Micic 82
Glenn Robinson III 82
Mitch McGary 81
CJ Wilcox 81
Jordan Adams 81
Artem Klimenko 80
Thanasis Antetokounmpo 78
Nikola Jokic 77
Semaj Christon 76
Deonte Burton 76
Jahii Carson 76
Markel Brown 73
DeAndre Daniels 73
Josh Huestis 73
Jabari Brown 71
Ioannis Papapetrou 70
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
My final Draft Tiers and Ratings

Tier 1

Wiggins 99
Embiid 98
Parker 97
Vonleh 97
Exum 97

Teir 2

Julius Randle 95
Doug McDermott 94
Marcus Smart 93
Aaron Gordon 93
Jusuf Nurkic 92
Rodney Hood 92
Zach LaVine 91
Nik Stauskas 91
Dario Saric 91

Teir 3

Adriean Payne 90
TJ Warren 90
Tyler Ennis 90
Elfrid Payton 90
James Young 89

Teir 4

PJ Hairston 87
Bogdan Bogdanovic 87
Clint Capela 87
Jordan Clarkson 87
Shabazz Napier 86
Kyle Anderson 86
Walter Tavares 86
Cleanthony Early 86
KJ McDaniels 85
Jerami Grant 85
Jarnell Stokes 85

Tier 5

Spencer Dinwiddie 84
Damien Inglis 83
Vasilije Micic 83
Glenn Robinson III 83
Mitch McGary 82
CJ Wilcox 82
Jordan Adams 82
Artem Klimenko 81
Thanasis Antetokounmpo 79
Nikola Jokic 78
Semaj Christon 76
Deonte Burton 76
Jahii Carson 76
Markel Brown 73
DeAndre Daniels 73
Josh Huestis 73
Jabari Brown 71
Ioannis Papapetrou 70
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Very impressive work. One thing, Randle should be in the same tier as Vonleh whether it be one or two.
 
Catchall said:
No, but technically Giannis, Lebron and Kevin Garnett had the same issue.
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I guess one differences is that at least LeBron and KG dominated their non-NBA competition where Exum looked pretty much mediocre against his. GA wasn't very good in his rookie season, so maybe we should hold off on using him as an example in these situations just yet.
 
LjJazzman said:
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 2m
Source: The Bulls may trade both of their first-rounders (#16 and #19) for future firsts, to free up cap space for Carmelo Anthony pursuit.


Lets trade our 23rd for a future 1st or sell for cash and buy the 16th.
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I fully support trading #23 for a future unprotected (or very low protected) 1st. We don't need 3 rookies on this roster. Two lottery picks in 2015 or 2016 could be nice.
 
PointGod_AlecBurks said:
My final Draft Tiers and Ratings

Tier 1

Wiggins 99
Embiid 98
Parker 97
Vonleh 97
Exum 97

Teir 2

Julius Randle 95
Doug McDermott 94
Marcus Smart 92
Aaron Gordon 92
Jusuf Nurkic 91
Rodney Hood 91
Zach LaVine 90
Nik Stauskas 90
Dario Saric 90

Teir 3

Adriean Payne 89
TJ Warren 89
Tyler Ennis 89
Elfrid Payton 89
James Young 88

Teir 4

PJ Hairston 86
Bogdan Bogdanovic 86
Clint Capela 86
Jordan Clarkson 86
Shabazz Napier 85
Kyle Anderson 85
Walter Tavares 85
Cleanthony Early 85
KJ McDaniels 84
Jerami Grant 84
Jarnell Stokes 84

Tier 5

Spencer Dinwiddie 84
Damien Inglis 82
Vasilije Micic 82
Glenn Robinson III 82
Mitch McGary 81
CJ Wilcox 81
Jordan Adams 81
Artem Klimenko 80
Thanasis Antetokounmpo 78
Nikola Jokic 77
Semaj Christon 76
Deonte Burton 76
Jahii Carson 76
Markel Brown 73
DeAndre Daniels 73
Josh Huestis 73
Jabari Brown 71
Ioannis Papapetrou 70
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Great post.

Even at the top, in my eyes break down Tier 1 into three separate tiers:

Tier 1 - Joel Embiid

Tier 2 - Andrew Wiggins, Jabari Parker

Tier 3 - Noah Vonleh, Dante Exum
 
bigmike said:
I fully support trading #23 for a future unprotected (or very low protected) 1st. We don't need 3 rookies on this roster. Two lottery picks in 2015 or 2016 could be nice.
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This idea doesn't get enough burn in this thread. As far as getting great return on the asset, this option could end up a home-run.

I'd Target 2017 personally, with the GSW pick already there it gives the jazz a comfortable plan Z, to blow this team up if it isn't working by then.

though it could be a good idea to target 2016, as potential 2017 draftees are likely and rumored to be moving up a class.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fV66bk3C1Y

Probable 2016 lottery pick, Jaylen Brown is exactly the type of player the Jazz could use.
 
LjJazzman said:
Alex Kennedy ‏@AlexKennedyNBA 2m
Source: The Bulls may trade both of their first-rounders (#16 and #19) for future firsts, to free up cap space for Carmelo Anthony pursuit.


Lets trade our 23rd for a future 1st or sell for cash and buy the 16th.
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Could jazz nation handle the return of Boozer if it meant getting the 16th pick?

Would the 16th and Trey Burke be enough to get Sacramento's 8th pick?
 
cowhide said:
This only makes me wish that the Jazz kept Carroll even more. I never understood why he didn't get more run with the Jazz because he usually produced and always played hard...Oh yea Corbin..
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Didn't you hear...he improved AMAZINGLY under Corbin. Ty took him from NBA scrub to regular rotation player.
In all fairness to Corbin, DeMarre was a hustle player who, although he improved his overall shooting percentage from 41% to 46%, still shot <29% on his 3's. His game exploded in Atlanta. Was that due to him working in the off-season or can a lot of the credit go to Quin? Would he have made similar improvements under Ty and the Jazz player development guys (Jensen and Bryant)? I tend to think it's a combination of the two. He DEFINITELY benefited from working with Quin. DeMarre says so himself. But Carroll was also driven to improve, so he would have worked on his game regardless. Now has he stayed in Utah would he played 30 mins/per? Definitely NOT. Corbin would have still gone with RJ as the Jazz starting SF.
 
huge shake up!!!!
This draft just got more wild...

Jason Lloyd @JasonLloydABJ
Joel Embiid's agent, Arn Tellem, confirms to ESPN that Embiid has suffered injury to right foot. Should know extent of injury by tomorrow.

Bill Simmons @BillSimmons
Also hearing Cavs were scared off by Embiid's foot, now focusing on Jabari or Wiggins (Jabari is the favorite). Unbelievable turn of events.
 
Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 5m
Also hearing Cavs were scared off by Embiid's foot, now focusing on Jabari or Wiggins (Jabari is the favorite). Unbelievable turn of events.

Really bad news for us.

Us being those who want jabari or wiggins. It will be a lot harder to trade up to 1 vs 2 or 3.
 
mellow said:
Could jazz nation handle the return of Boozer if it meant getting the 16th pick?

Would the 16th and Trey Burke be enough to get Sacramento's 8th pick?
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Chicago doesn't need to do that trade. They can amnesty Carlos.
DL should step in and grab the extra picks. However, he's stated the scouting staff needs to justify using the 23rd and 35th on players, so he may not want additional assets this season. If I were Dennis, I'd definitely try to get one of those picks. Cash and the 35th might be enough to do it since the 35th is pretty high, but still not guaranteed. It would be make a lot of sense for Chicago.
 
What do jazz do if Embiid falls to #5? Having never had him in to check out the back or the foot?

And Chicago is not going to amnesty boozer. They could have for the past three years and didn't, and the owner has said something similar to KOC they are not going to pay a player not to play.
 
LjJazzman said:
Bill Simmons ‏@BillSimmons 5m
Also hearing Cavs were scared off by Embiid's foot, now focusing on Jabari or Wiggins (Jabari is the favorite). Unbelievable turn of events.

Really bad news for us.

Us being those who want jabari or wiggins. It will be a lot harder to trade up to 1 vs 2 or 3.
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Too bad for Embiid, but for all those in the other thread who were getting on me for saying "I hadn't seen Embiid's medical report and wouldn't put him at #1"....HA!
There were red flags AFTER his workout in Cleveland. And now we hear it's also his foot. If not Greg Oden, this guy certainly looks like Sam Bowie 2.0.

mellow said:
What do jazz do if Embiid falls to #5? Having never had him in to check out the back or the foot?
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DL needs to post a picture of Curtis Borchardt on the draft room wall to remove any temptation. Embiid is more likely to become a GM killer than the next Hakeem.
 
Catchall said:
No, but technically Giannis, Lebron and Kevin Garnett had the same issue.
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Well LeBron played against Carmelo. Then you had the whole AAU circuit to measure James against all the US top players. He was far from an unknown. Antetokounmpo was barely a lotto pick.
 
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