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Following potential 2015 draftees

I don't know who the best player in this draft will be, but I know it won't be Okafor. i don't understand how he is the consensus No. 1 pick... Towns, Mudiay, and Russell have more potential. I think Okafor was made for the 90s NBA, I'd rather have the other 3 for the Jazz. I can understand why the Knicks or Lakers would take him over them though since they have no bigs. Is Okafor still the consensus #1?

BTW I love Towns. Good in the post, can face up, promising passer, effective on Defense, maybe a bit slow, but if my team needed a big it wouldn't even be a question.
 
I think we will draft 11th. Ford and Draft Express seem to agree on these players potentially being available there:

Oubre
Winslow
Turner
Booker
Kaminsky

DE actually has Looney going 13th so still perhaps a possibility.

A couple of big questions will be: Does it seem Hood is for real and can be a rotation player? Is Booker a part of the future and do we have any chance of bringing Tomic over?
If Hood is a yes and Booker and Tomic are a no, I think Turner and Kaminsky are real possibilities as well as Looney if he is actually still there.
 
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NCJazz said:
I think we will draft 11th. Ford and Draft Express seem to agree on these players potentially being available there:

Oubre
Winslow
Turner
Booker
Kaminsky

DE actually has Looney going 13th so still perhaps a possibility.

A couple of big questions will be: Does is seem Hood is for real and can be a rotation player? Is Booker a part of the future and do we have any chance of bringing Tomic over?
If Hood is a yes and Booker and Tomic are a no, I think Turner and Kaminsky are real possibilities as well as Looney if he is actually still there.
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Ugh .... of those I'd put them in this order

Winslow
Oubre
Kaminsky
Turner
Booker

Don't LOVE any of them though.
 
NCJazz said:
I think we will draft 11th. Ford and Draft Express seem to agree on these players potentially being available there:

Oubre
Winslow
Turner
Booker
Kaminsky

DE actually has Looney going 13th so still perhaps a possibility.

A couple of big questions will be: Does is seem Hood is for real and can be a rotation player? Is Booker a part of the future and do we have any chance of bringing Tomic over?
If Hood is a yes and Booker and Tomic are a no, I think Turner and Kaminsky are real possibilities as well as Looney if he is actually still there.
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The problem I have with Booker is he will probably demand more $$$ when the next round of negotiations come around. This contract with the Jazz to me is more or less an audition for a bigger payday.


Looking ahead Favors is a fringe All Stars type player, and Gobert is going to demand MAX no question about it, so DL would have to make a decision about how much $$$ he'll have left to pay a 3rd and a 4th big. My take is he is trying to find some other alternatives (Pleiss?) who could come over on the cheap. This is what the Spurs had been able to do with guys like Baynes and Bonner, etc, to try to stay in playoff contention this year.


In summary, I do agree that DL will look hard at drafting a back up 3rd/4th big, but that player will have to provide the right kind of contribution going forward and I'm not sure either Turner or Kaminsky has the defensive tools we're looking for though with Favors & Gobert already defensive players that might not be a bad thing. I would be happier with WCS though.
 
NCJazz said:
Thank your Jazz for winning to many games. ;)
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Haha.. to be honest I'd take a 40 win season over a better draft pick this year as this draft seems to have a pretty long tail right up to the #12 - #13 pick.


If we want to make the playoffs next year, we need to start to learn how to win these next 6 weeks.
 
My favorite wing is Hezonja. I think he's got that Manu Ginobli fire and competitiveness to go along with solid talent. He can do just about everything offensively, and I'd like to see him create more with the ball in his hands.

I think Winslow could be a starter and play a solid Ronnie Brewer-type role, the difference being that defenders have to respect his outside shot. The problem will be if he gets chased off the 3-pt line and can't do much from there.

Kelly Oubre has physical ability that rivals Tracy McGrady. I think he's mentally tougher than some give him credit for. He's shown some will to dominate. The question will be how well he interviews and competes in workouts. The natural ability is pretty elite.

Regarding Stanley Johnson, he'll be a very good defender, and he'll hit a respectable percentage of his spot-up shots. However, his quickness and explosion going to the rim is just good, not great, and I'm not sure how much of it will translate. I get Derrick Williams flashbacks for that aspect of his game. He'll be good, though i don't yet see how he's great.
 
Catchall said:
My favorite wing is Hezonja. I think he's got that Manu Ginobli fire and competitiveness to go along with solid talent. He can do just about everything offensively, and I'd like to see him create more with the ball in his hands.

I think Winslow could be a starter and play a solid Ronnie Brewer-type role, the difference being that defenders have to respect his outside shot. The problem will be if he gets chased off the 3-pt line and can't do much from there.

Kelly Oubre has physical ability that rivals Tracy McGrady. I think he's mentally tougher than some give him credit for. He's shown some will to dominate. The question will be how well he interviews and competes in workouts. The natural ability is pretty elite.

Regarding Stanley Johnson, he'll be a very good defender, and he'll hit a respectable percentage of his spot-up shots. However, his quickness and explosion going to the rim is just good, not great, and I'm not sure how much of it will translate. I get Derrick Williams flashbacks for that aspect of his game. He'll be good, though i don't yet see how he's great.
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Not sure on Oubre... I've hated the idea of him since ford compared him to jr smith... Haven't watched him on one of his good games.

The Stanley Johnson dwill comp is way off though. Dwill was a tweener who's defense was suspect in college despite the block numbers he put up... Wasn't consider a defender really at all and was going to have to be a 4 at the next level because of lack of a handle.

Stanley won't be a great offensive player but he is going to be a lock down defender. He is also defiantly a 3... Not a tweener. Someone compared Johnson to Ron artest without the crazy. I think that is a decent comp. he'd be a great addition.

I like what I've seen out of hezonja and think he is the most nba ready of the wings.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not sure on Oubre... I've hated the idea of him since ford compared him to jr smith... Haven't watched him on one of his good games.

The Stanley Johnson dwill comp is way off though. Dwill was a tweener who's defense was suspect in college despite the block numbers he put up... Wasn't consider a defender really at all and was going to have to be a 4 at the next level because of lack of a handle.

Stanley won't be a great offensive player but he is going to be a lock down defender. He is also defiantly a 3... Not a tweener. Someone compared Johnson to Ron artest without the crazy. I think that is a decent comp. he'd be a great addition.

I like what I've seen out of hezonja and think he is the most nba ready of the wings.
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I wasn't comparing Johnson and Williams other than to say that Johnson often relies on overpowering college players going to the rim, and I question whether that will translate in the NBA. He isn't showing the quickness and body control to score deftly in other ways. If Johnson can't get by defenders and get to the rim, that part of his game won't translate to the NBA. That's one of the problems Derrick Williams has had.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Not sure on Oubre... I've hated the idea of him since ford compared him to jr smith... Haven't watched him on one of his good games.

The Stanley Johnson dwill comp is way off though. Dwill was a tweener who's defense was suspect in college despite the block numbers he put up... Wasn't consider a defender really at all and was going to have to be a 4 at the next level because of lack of a handle.

Stanley won't be a great offensive player but he is going to be a lock down defender. He is also defiantly a 3... Not a tweener. Someone compared Johnson to Ron artest without the crazy. I think that is a decent comp. he'd be a great addition.

I like what I've seen out of hezonja and think he is the most nba ready of the wings.
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A starting lineup of

Exum
Hayward
Stan Johnson
Favors
Gobert


might be the best defensive team ever in a few years. Makes me smile just thinking about it.
 
I wouldn't compare Oubre to JR Smith. I'd compare him to Trevor Ariza or maybe even a young Robert Horry. Oubre has good length and more tenacity than Smith. He's definitely able to play SF.
 
Catchall said:
I wasn't comparing Johnson and Williams other than to say that Johnson often relies on overpowering college players going to the rim, and I question whether that will translate in the NBA. He isn't showing the quickness and body control to score deftly in other ways. If Johnson can't get by defenders and get to the rim, that part of his game won't translate to the NBA. That's one of the problems Derrick Williams has had.
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Oh... My bad. That assessment would kind of fit in with the artest comp. artest was crazy strong... Not sure if Stan has that much power.
 
Catchall said:
I wouldn't compare Oubre to JR Smith. I'd compare him to Trevor Ariza or maybe even a young Robert Horry. Oubre has good length and more tenacity than Smith. He's definitely able to play SF.
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No doubt he is a SF and has some tools I've just heard some question his drive which scares me... Also in the few games I've watched he is either riding the pine or not noticeable.

To me he could either be Paul George or Gerald Green. I think he's a swing for the fences type... Which at 10-12 isn't a bad gamble.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
Oh... My bad. That assessment would kind of fit in with the artest comp. artest was crazy strong... Not sure if Stan has that much power.
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Put it this way, how would Stanley Johnson score with Derrick Favors guarding the paint? Could he hit a floater or fall-away jump shot? Could he hit a running hook shot? Or would he take two dribbles and pass the ball out? That's the difference between college and the NCAA. In college, Johnson could shoulder in and get a layup.

Oubre could probably hit a leaner, floater or mid-range jump shot.
 
Actually, this is the adjustment that Dante Exum has to make too. At the U19 level, Dante could just get by people and get on top of the rim. In the pros he's trying to figure out how not to get killed. He needs to develop all kinds of floaters, use his body to shield himself and use angles, all things he's never done before. He desperately needs a mid-range pull-up game, which he just doesn't have yet.
 
Catchall said:
Put it this way, how would Stanley Johnson score with Derrick Favors guarding the paint? Could he hit a floater or fall-away jump shot? Could he hit a running hook shot? Or would he take two dribbles and pass the ball out? That's the difference between college and the NCAA. In college, Johnson could shoulder in and get a layup.

Oubre could probably hit a leaner, floater or mid-range jump shot.
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If Gobert is there too then no one scores.

I agree Oubre probably has more upside... I think his floor is lower than Johnson's. I am just not sure that Oubre has the internal fortitude to be great. Physical tools are there. It is a bit telling to me that he can't get a ton of minutes on that Kansas team. I would understand it if we picked him... not sure he or johnson are there. I think we are likely choosing between Kevon Looney (every time I watch him I hate him more), Frank the Tank, and Devin Booker. I'd go Booker, Frank the Tank, and Looney.
 
Catchall said:
Actually, this is the adjustment that Dante Exum has to make too. At the U19 level, Dante could just get by people and get on top of the rim. In the pros he's trying to figure out how not to get killed. He needs to develop all kinds of floaters, use his body to shield himself and use angles, all things he's never done before. He desperately needs a mid-range pull-up game, which he just doesn't have yet.
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He could get to the basket, but not sure he was a get on top of the rim guy... I get what you are saying though.
 
Just keep winning and end up at 13 where Booker will look great. The kid is fearless, and has a wet j. He won't crowd anyone for playing time for a while, and will be a nice insurance policy if needed.

I dont think there will be any better choice (aka big man) at the 13 spot.
 
I think Trey Lyles and Bobby Portis are sleeper picks for the tail end of the lottery. They're a bit overlooked. Nothing they do really jumps off the page, but they're both long, skilled PFs who can do a bit of everything. Myles Turner has a lot of upside too, but he'll need a couple years to develop.

My problem with Looney is his mediocre mobility and inability to get off the floor much going to the rim. That's what holds him back.
 
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