I'd roll the dice and take Porzingis, way too much upside there.
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I'd roll the dice and take Porzingis, way too much upside there.
Turner, Harrell and Hunter declared today. So far so good.
As much as i like Kaminsky no doubt whom to pick there. Remember Porzingis is still only 19. Plays in the 3rd best league in the world (Nba, Euroleague, Spanish League) against grown men. Chances of Nowitski are slim of course, but what about a bigger version of Mirotic with a better 3pt shot.
The thing with Porzingis is - offensively he can be even better - he is athletic to add to the shooting touch, like... he's freaky athletic for his size. He dunks absolutely everything anywhere near the rim. If there is a player in this draft for whom "plays above the rim" is in full force, this is it. It's Porzingis. I don't think he's as skilled and as high IQ as Mirotic, though. That's the thing that ultimately concerns me most. The lack of bball IQ is very visible both in his passing game and in his off-ball-defense. But he surely has a ton of potential.
But he seems like a willing passer and a willing learner (ala Gobert). He is unlike Kanter who seems cluless on defense, Porzingis moves well on pnr defense, very agile. He seems like a bright & clued up and under Quin's tutelage I do think Porzingis can blossom.
True, but he is also 5 years younger than Mirotic so still time to grow the IQ.
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The thing is I think the Jazz are past developing players and more into players that con contribute right away. Hnce the talk of trading the pick. Jazz need the playoffs next year and contending the next. That is the only knock on Hezonja right now is he is not ready right now and 1 to 2 years away. Winslow can contribute day one as can Johnson. Oubre is development player. Kaminsky can play day one.
Which is why I want the Jazz to use their 2016 pick to move up in the draft to around 5-7. Get your pick of the second tier guys. Jazz will be still somewhat developing next year, but will be ready for a runs in 2017, and might end up with 3 first round picks then. OKC is right now at the 19th pick, their pick this year is top 18 protected I believe, so if they stay there, Jazz could get their pick in 2017 instead of 2018.
Porzingis has great mobility for a 7-footer. He's not just a stretch shooter, but a guy who will be tough to guard all over the floor.
Yes, that's the question. How much will he rebound?
The knock on Porz is that he has low effort and IQ on defense...
Doesn't strike me as having low effort on defense. He's got good length, long arms, and looks committed and focused. If you say he's too slight to defend in the NBA, I might buy it, but I don't think he has low effort. (He averages 1.5 steals and 2 blocks per 40 min.) IQ on defense you can improve on it if you're a willing learner.
Stitches - what do you think bro?
Lots of interesting conundrum in this draft:
Towns vs Okafor
Russle vs Mudiay
Winslows vs Johnson vs Hezonja
Kaminsky vs Porzingis
Should be interesting to look back and see how those "match-ups" have fared.
Towns vs Okafor
Russle vs Mudiay
Winslows vs Johnson vs Hezonja
Kaminsky vs Porzingis
Should be interesting to look back and see how those "match-ups" have fared.
I am not sure it's an effort issue(although keep in mind their team is in management disarray and from what I've heard is absolutely dysfunctional right now, so I wouldn't be surprised if the effort of the team as a whole is not to the max). From what I've seen it's more of a lack of understanding and awareness as well as lack of concentration. He gets caught ball-watching(Otto Porter style), he's late on help rotations. I think it was in the DX report - it looks like the game is too fast for him. That might improve with experience, but in general for me lack of effort is more fixable than lack of understanding of defensive schemes. His individual stats are not bad, he's relatively quick for a 4 and he's long and athletic enough that if he bulks up and gets stronger his individual defense will probably be above average. I am still not sold on his ability to play above average team defense.
I hear you... his lack of athleticism and quickness are red flags and there are questions about his ability to translate his scoring on the next level. The thing that can make you optimistic about him being able to make the jump is the way he's been playing against the best of opposition. He's been killing not only the bottom feeders, he's been amazing against any opposition you put in front of him. He's had some of his best games against Euroleague level teams - Olympiakos and Panathinaikos, he had a double double against CSKA Moscow(which is one of the strongest teams in Europe right now). He killed Omri Casspi last summer in the Bulgaria vs Israel games and averaged 20/10 against him(Casspi averaged high numbers too, so that tells you about his defense). But yah... I kind of have hard time not taking him seriously when he's hardly ever had troubles scoring against pretty much anybody. His defense on the other hand... I don't know... I wonder if it's worth taking somebody who you KNOW with 100% certainty that you will have to hide in defense, even if they are an efficient scorer and shooter.
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No 19 year olds contribute from day one, not on a playoff team at least. A select few superstars have done it in the past, that's it.
Depends on your definition of contribute. Problem is, most of the 19 year olds ready to contribute, end up going to teams so bad, they aren't ready to make the playoffs. Are you saying Andrew Wiggins or a healthy Jabari Parker wouldn't be able to contribute to a playoff team today?
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I don't think contribute means the same to me as it does to you.