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ONE LOVE said:
But so is Kaminsky plus he has the 3 point shot making him more of a threat especially in the NBA. The spacing he creates will free up Burks in the second unit to drive freely too.
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I love frank the tank... Tomic is currently more skilled and polished though. Frank may be better long term though. Think Tomics passing and high post low post work is currently better than franks.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I love frank the tank... Tomic is currently more skilled and polished though. Frank may be better long term though. Think Tomics passing and high post low post work is currently better than franks.
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We've already got Gobert and Favors who are limited outside 12-15 foot of the basket.


Kaminsky's ability to step out and hit shots would be a better fit with those x2 than Tomic in the long term.
 
The funny thing about the Jazz, is they are the 2nd youngest team in the NBA and their 2 oldest players are rookies. If Tomic comes next year, he would be the oldest player on the Jazz. I would much rather have him come over, because he will help more next year than the Tank and use their draft pick toward another wing.
 
ONE LOVE said:
We've already got Gobert and Favors who are limited outside 12-15 foot of the basket.


Kaminsky's ability to step out and hit shots would be a better fit with those x2 than Tomic in the long term.
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I would agree and basically said that. Problem is we don't own franks draft rights ATM.
 
If we're trying to replicate the Spurs model, they have Duncan & Splitter who are inside scorers starting. Then they have Diaw and the Red Rocket firing away from 3 point line subbing in at various points in the game to give balance.


We already have our Duncan & Splitter in Gobert and Favors. We need outside shooting to balance that out - Tomic won't provide that.
 
let's take a look -

ny - towns - needs everything. towns is #1 in my book
minny - okafor - good fit next to pekovic. could go Russell
Philly - russell - finally get a back court player who can shoot.
lakers - mudiay - might as well start with a pg
Orlando - Winslow - improves their defensive identity and can actually hit 3 pt. this team is a beast defensively and athletically.
sactown - wcs - I could see them liking kaminsky and might be a good trade partner for the jazz. wcs is a great fit next to cousins but kaminsky create better spacing.
Denver - hezonja - they need a wing Johnson is also an option but IMO hezonja is a better fit.
Detroit - porzingis - security for the loss of Monroe besides svg loves bigs who can shoot.
charlotte - Johnson - why not draft the mkg with a jump shot.
Indiana - kaminsky - is BPA but I could see then take looney and try to develope him into another David west.
Utah - not much else on the board
 
ONE LOVE said:
If we're trying to replicate the Spurs model, they have Duncan & Splitter who are inside scorers starting. Then they have Diaw and the Red Rocket firing away from 3 point line subbing in at various points in the game to give balance.


We already have our Duncan & Splitter in Gobert and Favors. We need outside shooting to balance that out - Tomic won't provide that.
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We don't need to follow the spurs model or anyone's model exactly. Jazz can make their own model. They need a good backup C, and scoring off the bench. Tomic fills both those roles. Its as simple as that. Just need to avoid getting a backup SF that can't shoot.
 
ONE LOVE said:
If we're trying to replicate the Spurs model, they have Duncan & Splitter who are inside scorers starting. Then they have Diaw and the Red Rocket firing away from 3 point line subbing in at various points in the game to give balance.


We already have our Duncan & Splitter in Gobert and Favors. We need outside shooting to balance that out - Tomic won't provide that.
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tomic has to be respected out to 15' easily not to mention tomic is a better passer then kaminsky, although kaminsky is a decent passer.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
let's take a look -

ny - towns - needs everything. towns is #1 in my book
minny - okafor - good fit next to pekovic. could go Russell
Philly - russell - finally get a back court player who can shoot.
lakers - mudiay - might as well start with a pg
Orlando - Winslow - improves their defensive identity and can actually hit 3 pt. this team is a beast defensively and athletically.
sactown - wcs - I could see them liking kaminsky and might be a good trade partner for the jazz. wcs is a great fit next to cousins but kaminsky create better spacing.
Denver - hezonja - they need a wing Johnson is also an option but IMO hezonja is a better fit.
Detroit - porzingis - security for the loss of Monroe besides svg loves bigs who can shoot.
charlotte - Johnson - why not draft the mkg with a jump shot.
Indiana - kaminsky - is BPA but I could see then take looney and try to develope him into another David west.
Utah - not much else on the board
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Good post. Rep. I think the Jazz can shake Indiana in the draft order. Indiana is playing for the Playoffs and is bringing back Paul George. The Jazz have a tough schedule remaining and could pick up 4 or 5 losses rather easily. I think we at least get up to #10, though I don't know if we can jump Charlotte to get to #9 at this point.

If the Jazz were really faced with this scenario, I'd be happy to take Oubre. I think he's likely to be a better pro than Stanley Johnson. He shoots better and is quicker and more prototypical for a wing. His perimeter defense was as good towards the end of the year and he can really rebound when it matters. If the Jazz feel that Hood is good enough and negates the need to draft Oubre, then I'm fine with looking at rotation bigs like Looney and Turner. I think the Jazz will try HARD to trade up in any case, targeting Russell, Hezonja and maybe Winslow or Porzingis.
 
Incidentally, if we can get to #10, then we *should* get one of Kaminsky or Johnson. Johnson should be able to play some PF depending on the line-up.

I'm not biting on Sam Dekker moving 8 - 10 spots up the draft order based on his last few games.
 
Handlogten's Heros said:
I agree with this. Although I think frank is a better fit long term than tomic and would be cheaper. Tomic would likely have a bigger impact next year and is very polished offensively. Just not sure if what he does will work well with our other bigs.
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Look at how Marc Gasol and Noah's passing help solve their teams respective spacing issues.

Handlogten's Heros said:
Nah he is Pau gasol lite
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Close enough. His brother is a better comparison.

ONE LOVE said:
If we're trying to replicate the Spurs model, they have Duncan & Splitter who are inside scorers starting. Then they have Diaw and the Red Rocket firing away from 3 point line subbing in at various points in the game to give balance.


We already have our Duncan & Splitter in Gobert and Favors. We need outside shooting to balance that out - Tomic won't provide that.
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I mean your desire to slot bigs who are immobile into wing slots, because their weight will help them navigate screens was ridiculous.
But comparing Gobert + Favors with Duncan and Splitter. That's huge facepalm material. Like you wanna glue your hand onto your face.
 
Crocodile Dante said:
let's take a look -

ny - towns - needs everything. towns is #1 in my book
minny - okafor - good fit next to pekovic. could go Russell
Philly - russell - finally get a back court player who can shoot.
lakers - mudiay - might as well start with a pg
Orlando - Winslow - improves their defensive identity and can actually hit 3 pt. this team is a beast defensively and athletically.
sactown - wcs - I could see them liking kaminsky and might be a good trade partner for the jazz. wcs is a great fit next to cousins but kaminsky create better spacing.
Denver - hezonja - they need a wing Johnson is also an option but IMO hezonja is a better fit.
Detroit - porzingis - security for the loss of Monroe besides svg loves bigs who can shoot.
charlotte - Johnson - why not draft the mkg with a jump shot.
Indiana - kaminsky - is BPA but I could see then take looney and try to develope him into another David west.
Utah - not much else on the board
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I really think SVG will go kaminsky instead of porzingis. Franks more nba ready.
 
This draft is becoming nice and deep. Guys like Harrell and Lavert are projecting in the 20s. Lyles in the 20s would be a good get for any team.
 
ONE LOVE said:
If we're trying to replicate the Spurs model, they have Duncan & Splitter who are inside scorers starting. Then they have Diaw and the Red Rocket firing away from 3 point line subbing in at various points in the game to give balance.


We already have our Duncan & Splitter in Gobert and Favors. We need outside shooting to balance that out - Tomic won't provide that.
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Tomic fits the Diaw mould far better than Frank does.

Diaw buzz-sawed the Heat because of his passing-prowess-- not because of his very pedestrian volume of three-point shooting.

Also, hilarious that you bring Bonner up-- he averaged 6.1mpg in the postseason last year.
 
I really, really love Frank the Tank. With that said, Tomic is probably a top-10 passing center in this planet right now (and that's being generous).

If we think Frank is BPA, then you take him, no questions asked. We can cut-ties with Booker, and sign Tomic to a tradeable contract.

With that said, I would prefer drafting a three-point gunner that can D up, while snagging Tomic from Europe. We need a Danny Green more than we need a gunner at the 5.
 
Jazz4ever said:
Not sure about that. I think they view Drummond as their only core piece and he is only 21. They gotta treat it like a full rebuild and draft high risk/high reward.
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Coach/GMs don't do full rebuilds. I can almost promise they make short term type moves. SVG may be smarter than that though.
 
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