Following potential 2015 draftees

[spycam1]

I'm not making a big assumption, I'm just trying to be realistic about their development. Booker was drafted in 2010, and he's only showing his true potential as a solid 3rd big. Lyles/Turner/Looney/Portis aren't can't miss talent, it will take them longer to find their feet in the NBA.

Again, how is this any different from the wings of the late lottery?

 

[spycam1]

The Jazz shouldn't obsess over position and who will make the biggest immediate impact. They should grade players in terms of who they think will help the team's long term outlook and draft accordingly.

 

[fishonjazz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnfpmCpa3PA

Damn, his outside shot is very dirkesque.
Nice high release and gets rid of it at a decent speed.

I have not been very interested in him until now. I'm on board.






















Hope he is there at 12 lol

 

[NCJazz]

Damn, his outside shot is very dirkesque.
Nice high release and gets rid of it at a decent speed.

I have not been very interested in him until now. I'm on board.






















Hope he is there at 12 lol

Dont dare mention his name along with Dirk. Just kidding. He is getting a lot of the dirk,pau,nikola comparisons right now. I think he goes no later than 6th so a big trade would have to be in order.

 

[The Midnight]

Again, how is this any different from the wings of the late lottery?

Wings develop faster than bigs in the NBA isn't it a well known fact?

 

[spycam1]

Wings develop faster than bigs in the NBA isn't it a well known fact?

Even if that were true, we should still be thinking about who is going to be best long term. The goal is to win a championship, not just make the playoffs next season.

BPA.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The Jazz shouldn't obsess over position and who will make the biggest immediate impact. They should grade players in terms of who they think will help the team's long term outlook and draft accordingly.

This we have young good players at every position. Whoever we draft is likely a fringe rotation guy next year and that is okay. I'd just say avoid drafting a point guard as I don't want to have two projects at the same position.

I also don't think we trade the pick. I don't see a spot for a veteran to come in and take up a bunch of minutes that should go to Hood. If we stay at 12 or 13 I'm fine with any of the PFs... Looney lyles Portis all seem like good fits. Booker might be a decent choice but I don't think he'd get any burn at all. I could see a rookie PF come in and be playing 12 or so minutes a night by year end.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Wings develop faster than bigs in the NBA isn't it a well known fact?

Not sure this is true at all.

 

[The Midnight]

Even if that were true, we should still be thinking about who is going to be best long term. The goal is to win a championship, not just make the playoffs next season.

BPA.

Bro I'm not arguing against picking BPA - if you go look at my original post I was just questioning the focus on picking potential PFs. We should broaden our horizon to include other positions I agree with you on that.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Dont dare mention his name along with Dirk. Just kidding. He is getting a lot of the dirk,pau,nikola comparisons right now. I think he goes no later than 6th so a big trade would have to be in order.

I could see this guy slipping. No one wants to draft the next Darko, Vasquez, or Skitta. I'll bet he goes between 8 and 11, unless a very confident GM steps up and falls in love with him.

 

[NCJazz]

I could see this guy slipping. No one wants to draft the next Darko, Vasquez, or Skitta. I'll bet he goes between 8 and 11, unless a very confident GM steps up and falls in love with him.

Completely wrong comparisions. Those guys were work out wonders who barely played before they got drafted. Porzingis plays for a top level Spanish team and is contributing very well (gets more minutes than Hezonja). Definitely believe he will go top 6. Now the only thing that would hold him back is if NBA teams are not convinced he is coming over. However, waiting on Mirotic is paying off quite well for Chicago (granted he was drafted later).

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Completely wrong comparisions. Those guys were work out wonders who barely played before they got drafted. Porzingis plays for a top level Spanish team and is contributing very well (gets more minutes than Hezonja). Definitely believe he will go top 6. Now the only thing that would hold him back is if NBA teams are not convinced he is coming over. However, waiting on Mirotic is paying off quite well for Chicago (granted he was drafted later).

I understand there are different circumstances. The stink from those guys will continue to scare GMs and rub off on other Euros... Porzingis has a lot of question marks physically and is a high risk high reward prospect. Vasquez was a fluky deal, but do you think Orlando would take Porzingis? These things will absolutely affect him and if there is a guy in that top 7 or 8 that falls... my guess is it is Porzingis.

 

[NCJazz]

I understand there are different circumstances. The stink from those guys will continue to scare GMs and rub off on other Euros... Porzingis has a lot of question marks physically and is a high risk high reward prospect. Vasquez was a fluky deal, but do you think Orlando would take Porzingis? These things will absolutely affect him and if there is a guy in that top 7 or 8 that falls... my guess is it is Porzingis.

Actually yes, I think Porzingis would be a great fit in Orlando next to Vucevic. Porzingis seems much more motivated to play in the NBA.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Actually yes, I think Porzingis would be a great fit in Orlando next to Vucevic. Porzingis seems much more motivated to play in the NBA.

I think it will play on both Orlando and Denver's mind. I also don't see SVG too interested because he will take a while... more of a project than some of the other guys.

I know he is playing well for his age in that league, but the bigs he will face out here will eat him alive until he gets bigger. I think he carries more risk than Winslow, Hezonja, and WCS. The risk is justifiable because he has a lot of upside though... not sure a GM will have the testicular fortitude though.

 

[The Midnight]

Porzingis is a perfect fit for ORL.


- They have a gaping hole at the PF spot

- With Gordon, Peyton, and Oladipo, they desperately needs shooting in the starting lineup

- Young GM who is patient with rebuilding

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Problem is all those are PFs ... we already have a back up PF in Booker who is improving and has shown he can backup Favors if he is injured or needs a rest (knock on wood). What we really need is a back up Center.


But if you say "Well we're bringing over Tomic", then my question to you is "Are we really going to use our lottery pick on a 5th big?"

Booker doesn't shoot, score or rebound well enough to replace what we lost with Kanter. The Jazz may not keep him, tbh. Truthfully, Booker isn't that good.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

I am a HUGE booker fan but the dude is 6-6. He is not charles barkely but is a decent back up. Would love to see him stay on the Jazz but Looney, Lyles and portis have much higher ceilings then booker. You know what you get from booker and the Jazz have him for 1 more season. That would give them a chance to develope another big.

To be perfectly honest if Stanly Johnson was available i would grab him and look at developing him as a stretch 4. His abilities would by fantastic for that. He could also go to the 3 when a bigger line up was needed. Right now Johnson is the payer i want at our draft position but I bet he is gone.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Porzingis is a perfect fit for ORL.

Porzingis is a perfect fit for just about every team. Everyone wants a mobile stretch-big who isn't a total loss on defense. It opens up the floor for everyone and everything else.

I guarantee the Jazz want a stretch big like Porzingis. Bad. The value-pick version of Porzingis in this draft is Portis, imo,..if he can show he can shoot consistently.

 

[Chargers Jazz Angels]

[video]https://insider.espn.go.com/nba/draft2015/insider/story/_/id/12689816/nba-draft-360-degree-profile-bobby-portis-draft-stock-pro-future

The scouting perspective

Portis is a valuable commodity in this NBA draft. He is a young big man with good size, some athletic ability, a reliable midrange jump shot and very good motor. Even if he doesn't become an NBA star, he has all the attributes teams look for, which could keep him in the NBA for a decade.

The 20-year-old Portis is a sturdy 6-foot-11, 242 pounds, but is not an explosive athlete by NBA standards. However, he tries to play with energy, runs the floor hard and is a quick second jumper around the basket. And because he establishes good position away from his teammates' shots and "wedges" well, his 14 percent offensive rebound rate this past season was 36th-best in the country.

Another bonus with Portis is his shooting ability for a player his size. While his 47 percent behind the arc came from a small sample size, he did make a healthy 38 percent of his 2-point jump shots this season and they accounted for 53 percent of his attempts. He has also made 74 percent of his free throws in two years as a Razorback.

Although Portis' finishing percentage at the rim was a healthy 75 percent this season, his lack of explosiveness will manifest itself at the NBA level. He'll struggle initially around the rim, in my opinion. But he has a hard-to-block turnaround jump shot that could develop into a good weapon in time because of his touch.

I don't expect Portis to be a rim protector on the defensive end in the NBA. Rather, he'll be called upon to be solid in screen-and-roll coverages and in isolation situations. Because he stays engaged, plays with energy and tries to move his feet, he'll be more than serviceable on that end of the court. And he's been coached not to foul. The effort to be good defensively is there on the tape.

Portis struggled a bit late in the season, but because of his body of work all season (and Kentucky's platoon system) he was voted SEC Player of the Year. I see him drafted in the middle of the first round, meaning it's likely he will end up on a playoff team at worst. Given his age, his size and shooting touch, that team may be getting a gift.

-- Fran Fraschilla

"He's solid," one scout said of Portis. "And that's not a dig at him. He's solid at everything he does. I don't see a lot of holes in his games. If you want to reach for the stars, this isn't the player. But if you say, 'I want a guy that at the very least will be a solid rotation guy and at the very best will be the fourth- or fifth-best starter on my team,' I don't think you can go wrong.
-- Chad Ford

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

To be perfectly honest if Stanly Johnson was available i would grab him and look at developing him as a stretch 4. His abilities would by fantastic for that. He could also go to the 3 when a bigger line up was needed. Right now Johnson is the payer i want at our draft position but I bet he is gone.

I agree with Johnson as a stretch-4. It's a tough transition, but Johnson could do it. It's basically like Draymond Green or Harrison Barnes.