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It may be a good development move, but as far as career and financial, no way. You don't bet 3.3 Million Dollars (pick #14 guaranteed, approx 7 Million over 4 years) for the chance to earn 5 Million dollars (pick #7 guaranteed, approx 11 million over 4 years) but one less year of earning money.

There is a myth that players develop better in college. Worse coaching, worse training staff, limited access to other assets... Think of it this way... you think Jakob would do more for his body working out at P3 this summer or lifting weights at the U of U? They also have other school responsibilities that limit the amount of work they can put in.

It's also risky... next year there are a lot of bigs in the draft. His status is largely based on potential. He will be expected to fulfill some that potential or he may slide. If it isn't just to have more fun then I think it is a mistake... I think its a mistake either way actually... you can still have fun in the NBA.
 
Oubre is lauded as a good shooter, but is he? He shot 35.8% in college. I don't think that's something to brag about.

He has a couple things he needs to fix to be consistent, but most of the basics are there. He's intriguing to me but its all about his mindset honestly. If he works he has all the tools... he doesn't strike me as the most serious committed worker based on some of the reports from people around him.

His physical profile is Rudy Gay, Paul George like. If he takes himself seriously he could be great... that could also be said for many players in the NBA.
 
Oubre was generally regarded as being a better shooter than Johnson and Winslow, maybe in part because his release is pretty high and quick. However, Winslow got better as the season progressed and finished with higher shooting percentages overall.

Like HH said, the length and quickness give Oubre potential, but how much of it he reaches is tbd.
 
Now that Poeltl has decided to stay put, there is a clear talent drop off at #12, with Oubre being the 12th guy. Dunn and Grant at 13th and 14th respectively are clearly a tier below compared to Oubre.


Luckily we've got the 12th pick. Let's hope noone else decides to drop out.

Dunn at #13 and Grant at #14?
 
Oubre refresher... With him next to Exum, we'd have the best perimeter length in the league, or at least equal to the Bucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC3VXSPdWtw
 
Oubre refresher... With him next to Exum, we'd have the best perimeter length in the league, or at least equal to the Bucks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC3VXSPdWtw


Good grief
Could they pick a worse song
I can't even finish watching the video.
I guess just mute the sound.
 
I'm concerned that coin flip with Indiana may have cost us Oubre. We need someone ahead of us to bite on Turner or Looney.

I think it's worth moving up, even if just a few spots. We have assets, and they do no good sitting idle.
 
I'm concerned that coin flip with Indiana may have cost us Oubre. We need someone ahead of us to bite on Turner or Looney.

I think it's worth moving up, even if just a few spots. We have assets, and they do no good sitting idle.

Both Vogel and Bird had some statements with pretty strong language suggesting they will try to move Hibbert or he will have lesser role next year. I think it is possible that they'd pick a center in the draft, FA or in a trade.
 
Oubre is lauded as a good shooter, but is he? He shot 35.8% in college. I don't think that's something to brag about.
You have to go off more than just percentages. Brad Beal shot a similar 3pt % his one year in college, but I still projected him as a great shooter because of his form. I'd say the same thing about Oubre, but not to the extent of Beal. In other words, Oubre's form looks good enough that I see him becoming a 37 or 38% shooter from 3 down the road.
 
You have to go off more than just percentages. Brad Beal shot a similar 3pt % his one year in college, but I still projected him as a great shooter because of his form. I'd say the same thing about Oubre, but not to the extent of Beal. In other words, Oubre's form looks good enough that I see him becoming a 37 or 38% shooter from 3 down the road.

Yeah with our chance of potential players dwindling fast I have to admit I'm warming up to Oubre a bit more. Still not 100% on his "drive to succeed" but beggar can't be chooser at this point.
 
Yeah with our chance of potential players dwindling fast I have to admit I'm warming up to Oubre a bit more. Still not 100% on his "drive to succeed" but beggar can't be chooser at this point.
Yeah, but having a coach like Snyder makes me more comfortable with drafting a high potential player like Oubre.
 
Yeah with our chance of potential players dwindling fast I have to admit I'm warming up to Oubre a bit more. Still not 100% on his "drive to succeed" but beggar can't be chooser at this point.

I'd like to share your skepticism of his drive. Perhaps if you tell me about your own experience with success and drive, and then compare that to what you see in Oubre... well... I think I'd have a better chance of agreeing with you at that point.

Tell us more about your success and drive, hotttnickk. tia.
 
I'd like to share your skepticism of his drive. Perhaps if you tell me about your own experience with success and drive, and then compare that to what you see in Oubre... well... I think I'd have a better chance of agreeing with you at that point.

Tell us more about your success and drive, hotttnickk. tia.

Let's just focus on "2015 Potential Draftees", because, well, that is what this thread is about.
 
Let's just focus on "2015 Potential Draftees", because, well, that is what this thread is about.

copy that.

I'll file your comments about his drive to succeed under the following hashtags:

#irrelevant #poorlystated #illconceived
 
Justin Anderson has improved his jump shot immeasurably this season. (USATSI)
Before No. 3 Virginia's 52-47 victory vs. Louisville on Saturday, junior guard/forward Justin Anderson was having a breakthrough season and emerging as a solid NBA prospect.

However, there seems to have been a wrench thrown into whatever possible plans Anderson could have for this season. In the first half vs. the Cardinals, Anderson fractured a finger on his left shooting hand, and after surgery on Sunday, will miss at least four weeks - and maybe as much as six weeks.

Virginia coach Tony Bennett said in his Monday morning teleconference that the surgery went well, and should have no lasting impact on Anderson. That is great news for the Wahoos, as having even having Anderson's presence paramount to its hopes of going far in the tournament.

It's also great news for Anderson on an individual level, as, despite the injury, there is an awful lot to like about him as an NBA prospect.

He's big and long at 6-foot-6 with a 6-11 wingspan, and has a strong body that looks NBA-ready from day one. His athleticism is superb, with strong quickness for a small forward and great explosiveness vertically. Plus, playing under Bennett has instilled in him strong defensive principles. And while there may be a bit of a transition going from playing the pack-line to a more straight man-to-man concept, those principles should allow Anderson to become a useful team defender at worst, and a legitimately really good defender at best.

While there are a few downsides to his game -- his ball-handling ability needs work, for one, as he's still mostly a two-dribble/straight-line driver -- Anderson's draft stock will mostly hinge on whether or not you buy one skill of his.

His shooting.

The question about Anderson's shooting is something that is likely being asked around front offices, as it's the difference between him being a first-round pick and a borderline prospect. And the reason it's a question at all is because the wing's shooting went from question mark to strength all within the course of a year.

In 2013-14, Anderson was a 29 percent 3-point shooter on 102 attempts. However, this season Anderson has seen that percentage leap to 48 percent. Check out these two shot charts from ShotAnalytics.com (which, by the way, is a website well-worth a subscription) that show how much more effective he's been behind the arc this season:



On the left is Anderson's 2014-15 season, and on the right is his 2013-14 season. As you an undoubtedly see, there's a pretty big difference in his shooting efficiency. There's only one big difference in the types of shots he's taking this season, so largely it seems like we can notch this up to one of two things:

1. A rather large statistical anomaly that has seen Anderson make nearly 50 percent of his 3s this season, up from 29 percent last year. Or...

2. Anderson is making more shots due to his improvement as a shooter.

Below, I'm going to break down why I believe Option 2 is the answer:

Before looking at his actual shot, let's note one thing: Anderson is taking more corner 3s this season, which seems to be a shot that he's always been comfortable taking. Now, he's knocking it down at a 55 percent clip this season compared to a 39 percent clip last year. But it's still something that he's shown to be able to shoot efficiently in the past. Taking more corner 3s seems to have helped Anderson, and that ability is something that will carry over to the NBA as the corner 3 is one of the most efficient shots in that league along with the lay-up/dunk.

But outside of a slightly different shot distribution that better fits his skill, what has changed about Anderson's shot mechanically to make him more effective? Let's take a look.

Here's an example of his shot from the 2013-14 season.



There's just a lot going on here for a simple catch-and-shoot shot. Look at the way he sets up for this shot. Instead of squaring his feet to the rim, he has his feet squared toward Anthony Gill prior to the pass. He resets his feet, brings the ball down below his waist, and brings the ball back up to a point above his head (breaking the pivotal 90-degree angle that you want with your elbow on your shot), and then releases. It's a "loud" shot, so to speak, with a lot of moving pieces. Plus, his follow through is high toward the sky, as opposed to strong toward the rim. Then there's the matter of his balance. Look at where he takes off from, and then look at where he lands. Typically, the goal should be to land in a similar spot to where you took off from. However, Anderson kicks out his feet to a point where the left one even lands in front of the 3-point arc.

So yeah, just a lot of moving pieces that don't need to be there. And it's something that he clearly realized in the offseason, as he discussed improving his shot mechanics in the offseason in a video he did regarding his success this season with Virginia's athletic department midway through January.

"Keeping my elbow in, keeping that 90-degree elbow, with balance. Keeping your eyes on the rim and not following the ball. Not dipping the ball as much. Staying strongly on the release, landing where you started. It's just a bunch of little technical things that many people may not take pride in, but I think it helps take your game to the next level when you start getting into the nitty gritty of your shot."
Here's what his shot looks like today, and it's a marked difference.



Just look at how much quieter the mechanics are here on a shot from the same spot. Anderson gets his feet set right at the rim before the catch this time all in one fluid motion. He still brings the ball down a bit further than you'd like after the catch, but the rest of it is picturesque. The release point is similar, but the elbow is in at a much better 90-degree angle, and his follow through is stronger toward the rim. But most importantly, the lower half of his mechanics are much better, jumping much straighter in the air, and landing in a similar spot to where he took the shot. For a player who gets the type of elevation that he does on his shot, it's impressive that he's able to land as softly and with as much balance as he does now. Things just look simpler here than in 2013-14.

And these veritable improvements in his mechanics make me believe that Anderson's sharp-shooting is not an aberration. Sure, he might not be a 50 percent shooter from deep. But with that fluid, simple movement and a confident release, I don't see any reason why he couldn't be a 40-percent 3-point shooter on the college level, and maybe even eventually reach that level in the NBA.

Moving back toward the present term and Virginia's season, even if the injury hurts his shooting percentages, the gravitational pull Anderson has on the defense due to the shooting he displayed this season should be enough to open up lanes for other players, which is key to the Cavaliers getting the offense to match their defense. And, on an individual level, if there seems to be any indication that the finger affecting his shot and making him miss more than he has this season, Anderson could return to school so as to avoid possibly shooting poorly in workouts and lowering his draft stock.

But even if his shooting is affected in the short term -- which is only a possibility and not a certitude -- it seems the injury will not be a long-term issue. The mechanical improvements that Anderson made this offseason are far more important than any hand injury could be, and they should have more of a lasting impact on the way he shoots the ball into the future.

That shooting ability -- along with his defensive play, athleticism and smart decision-making (his 10 percent turnover rate is seventh in the ACC right now) -- should make Anderson a particularly hot commodity on draft night. NBA teams crave that kind of skillset and ability to space the floor -- look at how the Hawks, Warriors, Spurs and Blazers utilize floor-spacers who make smart choices -- and Anderson's other ancillary skills should be enough to make him a first-round pick when the junior chooses to declare.
 
Oubre would be nice insurance for Hayward/Burks not being able to re-sign with us after their contracts are up.
 
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