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Following potential 2015 draftees

Could anyone explain to me why Frank K isn't listed higher on mock drafts? To me, he looks like and plays exactly like Pau Gasol. Neither are explosive athletes. But both are 7 feet tall, extremely skilled, and very fluid in their movements.

Even if Frank "busts" isn't he still better than most centers/PFs coming off the bench? I'm thinking even if he busts he's still Money Memo lite as his 3 pt shot will always be a threat that teams must defend against.

Frank, Book, Burks, off the bench? Yes please. Add Patty Mills to the act and we will be in the playoffs no sweat next year.
 
The Thriller said:
Could anyone explain to me why Frank K isn't listed higher on mock drafts? To me, he looks like and plays exactly like Pau Gasol. Neither are explosive athletes. But both are 7 feet tall, extremely skilled, and very fluid in their movements.
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Hmmm... There are some similarities. I think Pau has a larger wingspan though so he's longer than frank. Pau plays more back to the basket and I think has a stronger base (not sure when he was 22... Remember him being skinnier). Frank plays post but also pick and pop with a face up drive game. Both good passers. If 21 year old Pau played college ball what would it look like? It's an interesting thought and one I hadn't really considered.

I don't know why he couldn't be as effective as Pau once he's fully developed and probably has some similar lateral deficiencies on D that Pau did. Basically the arguments I've heard are he is old and will suck on defense. Not sure why those same guys aren't arguing against Okafor cuz he beat up on 6'8" guys in the post, sucks worse than frank on defense and cant shoot free throws. I think frank is in play anywhere from 8-15.
 
I have changed who I want at 12 after watching some more videos.
I wanted oubre before but now I want Frank the tank
 
Has RHJ been shooting up the draft-express board recently? Up to #13 now. They have Porz at #10 now, I would absolutely love him, over Kaminsky and Turner for sure (if he's coming over reasonably soon).
 
Eminence said:
Has RHJ been shooting up the draft-express board recently? Up to #13 now. They have Porz at #10 now, I would absolutely love him, over Kaminsky and Turner for sure (if he's coming over reasonably soon).
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Man if we could get either it would be neat.
 
Eminence said:
Has RHJ been shooting up the draft-express board recently? Up to #13 now. They have Porz at #10 now, I would absolutely love him, over Kaminsky and Turner for sure (if he's coming over reasonably soon).
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He is the player that fits the DL drafting mode. A Kawhi Leonard type who needed alot of offensive help. I'm sure they will want to bring him in for workouts.
 
stitches said:
Here's one more analytical projection model:

https://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2015/04/17/final-2015-cpr-ratings/

Interesting: Looney, Portis, Turner, Payne, DeAndre Bembry(? - seems like he's returning to school) project really high. Booker, WCS, Sam Dekker not high at all... Oubre and Kaminsky - middling projection.
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Nice find. I find this stuff fascinating. I like Portis, Looney, and Turner. Although I think I like Portis and Turner better than Looney. But I have no fancy analytic to support my prejudice.
 
fishonjazz said:
I have changed who I want at 12 after watching some more videos.
I wanted oubre before but now I want Frank the tank
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Welcome to the tank wagon... Plenty of room for any other new comers.
 
A detailed look at some of the bigs in our range:

https://wingspanaddicts.com/2015/05/11/kevon-looney-bobby-portis-christian-wood-and-trey-lyles-4s-for-the-modern-nba/

An interesting tidbit:

In order to best approximate what analytic models generally think of each guy, I averaged each player’s rank across six different draft models; Kevin Pelton’s WARP, Layne Vashro’s EWP, Vashro’s HUM, Steve Shea’s CPR, Nick Restifo’s draft model, and Andrew Johnson’s P-AWS. I double-weighted EWP scores because it strikes me as the best model that has the most work put into it, but all of these guys do great work and deserve more recognition for what they do. There are some discrepancies in player rankings due to not every model having rated all of the same players, but by averaging across the six models, a pretty clear picture is painted.

Looney comes out as the clear winner. He ranks first of this group and 5th out of all draft prospects in my average model ranking.
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Analytics are far from everything, but the fact that the average of all six of those major advanced analytic models rank Looney as the 5th best prospect suggests that there's at least a possibility (probably a strong one) that he's being overlooked; he could be a steal and should be among the main crop of prospects we consider at #12.
 
spycam1 said:
Analytics are far from everything, but the fact that the average of all six of those major advanced analytic models rank Looney as the 5th best prospect suggests that there's at least a possibility that he's being overlooked; he could be a steal and should be among the main crop of prospects we consider at #12.
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His usage in UCLA was suspect. Whenever I was watching them, I was constantly getting frustrated by how little he was touching the ball and how their ball-hogging guards were chucking shot after shot. It is very possible that his performance might have been understated because of the system and the way he was used and he might explode in the right situation in the league. I wouldn't mind drafting him at 12 at all... he'd need time offensively though.
 
Eminence said:
Has RHJ been shooting up the draft-express board recently? Up to #13 now. They have Porz at #10 now, I would absolutely love him, over Kaminsky and Turner for sure (if he's coming over reasonably soon).
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Some other interesting things.

Hezonja at #5, Oubre at #17, Looney at #20. I wouldn't be against drafting Hollis-Jefferson, but we would need to get some shooting in free agency or in a trade.
 
spycam1 said:
Analytics are far from everything, but the fact that the average of all six of those major advanced analytic models rank Looney as the 5th best prospect suggests that there's at least a possibility that he's being overlooked; he could be a steal and should be among the main crop of prospects we consider at #12.
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Great find. In the conclusion he states:
Ultimately, Wood has high-level upside on both ends that the rest of this group lacks, and I actually have him the highest of these four. Next I slot in Looney, whose uniquely good feel and solid tools give him a bit of intrigue Lyles and Portis lack. Portis comes next; I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s better than both Looney and Wood, but he really lacks any sort of upside above “average starter” which makes it hard for me to get too excited about him. Last among the four I have Lyles, but playing in such a weird role at Kentucky gives me less confidence in my evaluation of him than the rest of the group. I have a lot of questions about his defense at the next level, but he’s got decent size and athleticism along with really impressive offensive skills so the path to success is there for him. I’ll post a full big board eventually, but I have Wood at 13, Looney at 15, Portis at 18, and Lyles at 20.
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So, yeah, Looney looks great, but ultimately this guy (Mazlish?), after praising Looney, he then says he prefers Christian Wood. Shrug. Wood is long (9'3.5" standing reach), but only 216 lbs. I'm flummoxed.
 
White Chocolate said:
Some other interesting things.

Hezonja at #5, Oubre at #17, Looney at #20. I wouldn't be against drafting Hollis-Jefferson, but we would need to get some shooting in free agency or in a trade.
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This being said I definitely think Oubre and Looney are two options I would like at #12.
 
stitches said:
His usage in UCLA was suspect. Whenever I was watching them, I was constantly getting frustrated by how little he was touching the ball and how their ball-hogging guards were chucking shot after shot. It is very possible that his performance might have been understated because of the system and the way he was used and he might explode in the right situation in the league. I wouldn't mind drafting him at 12 at all... he'd need time offensively though.
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The Jazz could very well be that ideal situation. Lindsey has repeatedly identified one of our clear strengths to be our staff's ability to develop young players. A back up role would probably be ideal for Looney at first, too, which would obviously be his role in Utah.
 
spycam1 said:
The Jazz could very well be that ideal situation. Lindsey has repeatedly identified one of our clear strengths to be our staff's ability to develop young players. A back up role would probably be ideal for Looney at first, too, which would obviously be his role in Utah.
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This is why I would be okay with a lot of guys at #12, our staff is good. Look what Snyder did to Carroll and Shroder.
 
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